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公孙龙子 > 经名:公孙龙子,收录于《中华道藏》诸子文集。 目录#1 卷上 迹府第一 白马论第二 卷中 指物论第三 通变论第四 卷下 坚白论第五 名实论第六 #1目录原缺,据正文标题补。 公孙龙子卷上 赵人公孙龙着 迹府第一 府,聚也。述作论事之迹,聚之於篇中,因以名篇。
Interpretation

The Gongsun Longzi is the work of Gongsun Long, a native of the state of Zhao in the Warring States period, and is included among the collected writings of the philosophers in the Zhonghua Daozang (Chinese Daoist Canon).

The book is divided into three juan—upper, middle, and lower—comprising six chapters in all. The upper juan contains “Jifu” (Storehouse of Traces) and “Baima lun” (Discourse on the White Horse); the middle juan contains “Zhiwu lun” (Discourse on Pointing and Things) and “Tongbian lun” (Discourse on Understanding Change); and the lower juan contains “Jianbai lun” (Discourse on Hard and White) and “Mingshi lun” (Discourse on Names and Actualities). The original table of contents is incomplete, and the present one has been supplied from the chapter titles in the main text.

“Jifu” is the first chapter. “Fu” means to gather or collect; this chapter brings together accounts of Gongsun Long’s writings and of the affairs he discussed, and for this reason it takes “Jifu” as its title.

公孙龙,六国时辩士也。疾名实之散乱,因资材之所长,为守白之论。假物取譬,以守白辩。物各有材,圣人之所资用者也。夫众材殊辩,各恃所长,更相是非,以邪削正,故赏罚不由天子,威福出自权臣。公孙龙伤明王之不兴,疾名器之乖实,乃假指物,以混是非,寄白马而齐物我,辈时君之有悟而正名实焉。谓白马为非马也。白马为非马者,言白所以名色,言马所以名形也。色非形,形非色也。夫言色则形不当与,言形则色不宜从;今合以为物,非也。如求白马於傊校瑹o有,而色,言马所以名形也。色非形,形非色也。夫言色则形不当与,言形则色不宜从;今合以为物,非也。如求白马於傊校瑹o有,而有骊色之马;然不可以应有白马也。不可以应有白马,则所求之马亡矣;亡则白马竟非马。欲推是辩,以正名实,而化天下焉。马体不殊,黄白乃异,彼此相推,是非混一,故以斯辩而正名实。龙与孔穿会赵平原君家。穿曰:素闻先生高谊,愿为弟子久;但不取先生以白马为非马耳。请去此术,则穿请为弟子。龙曰:先生之言悖。龙之所以为名者,乃以白马之论尔。今使龙去之,则无以教焉。且欲师之者,以智与学不如也。今使龙去之,此先教而后师之也。先教而后师之者,悖。且白马非马,乃仲尼之所取。仲尼曰:也。今使龙去之,此先教而后师之也。先教而后师之者,悖。且白马非马,乃仲尼之所取。仲尼曰:必也正名乎。龙以白马正名实,故仲尼之所取。龙闻楚王张繁弱之弓,载忘归之矢,以射蛟兕於云梦之圃,而丧其弓。左右请求之。王曰:止。楚王遗弓,楚人得之,又何求乎?仲尼闻之曰:楚王仁义而未遂也,亦日人亡弓,人得之而已,何必楚?若此,仲尼异楚人於所谓人。楚王失弓,因以利楚,不能兼济天下,故曰仁义未遂也。人君唯私其党,附之亦如守白求马,独有白马来应。楚王所谓人者,楚国也。仲尼所谓人者,天下也。故离白以求马,众马皆至矣。忘楚以利人,天下感应矣。夫是仲尼异楚人於所谓人,而非龙异白马於所谓马,悖。先生修儒术而非仲尼之所求马,众马皆至矣。忘楚以利人,天下感应矣。夫是仲尼异楚人於所谓人,而非龙异白马於所谓马,悖。先生修儒术而非仲尼之所取,欲学而使龙去所教,则虽百,龙固不能当前矣。孔穿无以应焉。圣教虽殊,其归不异,曲士求於教,不能博通,则安其所习,毁所不悟。故虽贤倍百,龙不能当前为师,亦如守白求马,所丧多矣。
Interpretation

Gongsun Long was a debater of the Warring States period. Distressed that names and actualities—the designations of things and the things as they actually are—had fallen into confusion, he drew on his own intelligence to advance the doctrine of “holding to white,” that is, using “a white horse is not a horse” to distinguish names from actualities. By analogy with concrete things, he held that the myriad things each possess different properties, and that the sage ought to take and use them according to those properties.

Every kind of intelligence and every mode of argument has its own strength, yet people each cling to their own views and contend with one another, using deviant doctrines to shut out correct principles. As a result, rewards and punishments are no longer decided by the Son of Heaven, while power and favor are instead monopolized by powerful ministers. Gongsun Long lamented that no worthy and enlightened ruler had appeared, and he was dissatisfied that names did not correspond to actualities. He therefore used arguments such as “pointing and things” to distinguish right from wrong, and used the distinction between “white horse” and “horse” to discuss the relation between the myriad things and the self, hoping that the rulers of his time would awaken and set names and actualities in order. He maintained: a white horse is not a horse.

What is meant by “a white horse is not a horse” is that “white” refers to color and “horse” refers to form. Color is not form, and form is not color. When one speaks of color, one should not reckon form in as well; when one speaks of form, one should not include color along with it. To combine color and form in a single name is therefore not rigorous. Suppose, for example, that one seeks a white horse. Horses may indeed come, yet among them there may also be a black horse, and a black horse cannot be counted as a white horse that has answered the call. Since it cannot be counted as a white horse, the white horse one sought has not been found. Therefore a white horse is, after all, not a horse.

Gongsun Long wished to use this line of argument to clarify names and actualities and thereby bring the world under good order. The form of a horse does not differ, yet a yellow horse and a white horse are distinguished by color. If such distinctions are mixed together, right and wrong are easily confused; that is why he used this kind of disputation to rectify names and actualities.

Gongsun Long once met Kong Chuan at the residence of Lord Pingyuan of Zhao. Kong Chuan said, “I have long heard of your lofty reputation, sir, and I am willing to be your disciple for a long time. I simply do not agree with your thesis that ‘a white horse is not a horse.’ Please abandon this doctrine, and I will take you as my teacher.”

Gongsun Long replied, “What you say, sir, does not accord with reason. The very reason I am known is that I advanced the white-horse thesis. If I were required to abandon it, I would have nothing left to teach. Moreover, those who wish to take me as their teacher do so because they consider their own intelligence and learning inferior to mine. Now I am asked first to abandon my own position and only afterward to serve as their teacher. This reverses the proper order and cannot work. Furthermore, ‘a white horse is not a horse’ is precisely the position of Confucius (Zhongni). Confucius said that governing a state begins with rectifying roles and names. My white-horse thesis is used to rectify names and actualities, and thus accords exactly with Confucius’s teaching.”

Gongsun Long then spoke of the story of the king of Chu losing his bow. The king of Chu drew the powerful bow Fanruo, carried arrows named Wanggui, and hunted flood-dragons and rhinoceroses in the park of Yunmeng, yet lost the bow. When his attendants wished to search for it, the king of Chu said, “Let it be. The king of Chu has lost a bow, and a man of Chu will pick it up—what is there to look for?” When Confucius heard of this, he said, “Although the king of Chu has a heart of humaneness and righteousness, he has not yet carried it through. He ought to have said, ‘Someone lost a bow, and someone picked it up.’ Why restrict it to a man of Chu?”

The king of Chu confined benefit to the state of Chu and failed to let all the people of the world share in it; that is why Confucius said his humaneness and righteousness were still insufficient. If a ruler attends only to his own state, it is like seeking a horse only under the condition “white horse,” so that in the end only a white horse answers the call. The “person” of whom the king of Chu spoke in fact referred only to people of Chu, whereas the “person” of whom Confucius spoke referred to all people under heaven. Thus, if one does not restrict the search by “white” but seeks only a horse, horses of every kind will come; if one does not attend only to Chu but takes the benefit of all people under heaven as one’s concern, the people of the world will respond.

Gongsun Long held that Confucius distinguished people of Chu from the people of the world, yet criticized him for distinguishing a white horse from a horse, and that this could not stand to reason. Kong Chuan studied the learning of the Ru, yet opposed a position that Confucius himself endorsed. He wished to take a teacher, and at the same time required Gongsun Long to abandon the very content he taught. Even if a hundred people acted in this way, Gongsun Long could not accept becoming their teacher. Kong Chuan had nothing to say in reply.

Although the teachings of the sages differ from one another, their ultimate aims do not. Those of narrow vision, when they pursue learning, cannot bring things together into a single understanding; they rest content with the doctrines they already know and disparage what they do not comprehend. Therefore, even if many worthy persons came to persuade him, Gongsun Long would not on that account change his position and become Kong Chuan’s teacher. It is like seeking horses only by the criterion “white horse,” and in the end missing a great many.

公孙龙,赵平原君之客也。孔穿,孔子之叶也。穿与龙会,穿谓龙曰:臣居鲁,侧闻下风,高先生之智,说先生之行,愿受业之日久矣,乃今得见。然所不取先生者,独不取先生之以白臣居鲁,侧闻下风,高先生之智,说先生之行,愿受业之日久矣,乃今得见。然所不取先生者,独不取先生之以白马为非马耳。请去白马非马之学,穿请为弟子。公孙龙曰:先生之言悖。龙之学,以白马为非马者也。使龙去之,则龙无以教。无以教而乃学於龙也者,悖。且夫欲学於龙者,以智与学焉为不逮也。今教龙去白马非马,是先教而后师之也。先教而后师之,不可。先生之所以教龙者,似齐王之谓尹文也。齐王之谓尹文曰:寡人甚好士,以齐国无士,何也?尹文曰:愿闻大王之所谓士者。齐王无以应。尹文曰:今有人於此,事君则忠,事亲则孝,交友则信,处乡则顺。有此四行,可谓士乎?齐王曰:善。此真吾所谓士也。尹文曰:王得此人,肯以为臣乎?王曰:所愿而孝,交友则信,处乡则顺。有此四行,可谓士乎?齐王曰:善。此真吾所谓士也。尹文曰:王得此人,肯以为臣乎?王曰:所愿而不可得也。是时齐王好勇,圣人之用士也,各因其材而用之,无所去取也。齐王以所好求士,亦如守白命马,岂得士乎?於是尹文曰:使此人广庭大众之中,见侵侮而终不敢斗,王将以为臣乎?王曰:巨士也?见侮而不斗,辱也。辱则寡人不以为臣矣。尹文曰:唯见侮而不斗,未失其四行也。是人未失其四行,其所以为士也。然而王一以为臣,一不以为臣;则向之所谓士者,乃非士乎?齐王无以应。尹文曰:今有人君将理其国,人有非则非之,无非则亦非之;有功则赏之,无功则亦赏之。而怨人之不理也,可乎?齐王曰:不可。尹文曰:臣窃观下吏之理齐,其方若此矣。王曰:寡人而怨人之不理也,可乎?齐王曰:不可。尹文曰:臣窃观下吏之理齐,其方若此矣。王曰:寡人理国,信若先生之言,人虽不理,寡人不敢怨也。意未至然与?意之所思,未至大道。尹文曰:言之敢无说乎?既言齐国失政,敢不说其由乎?王之令曰,杀人者死,伤人者刑。人有畏王之令者,见侮而终不敢斗,是全王之令也。而王曰,见侮而不斗者,辱也。谓之辱,非之也。无非而王辱之,故因除其籍,不以为臣也。不以为臣者,罚之也。此无罪而王罚之也。且王辱不敢斗者,必荣敢斗者也。荣敢斗者是,而王是之,必以为臣矣。必以为臣者,赏之也。彼无功而王赏之,王之所赏,吏之所诛也;上之所是,而法之所非也。赏罚是非,相与四谬,虽十黄帝,不能理也。齐王无以应焉。君不顾法,则国无政。故圣倍#1十黄帝,不能救其乱也。故龙以子之言有似齐王。子知难白也。赏罚是非,相与四谬,虽十黄帝,不能理也。齐王无以应焉。君不顾法,则国无政。故圣倍#1十黄帝,不能救其乱也。故龙以子之言有似齐王。子知难白马之非马,不知所以难之说,以此,犹知好士之名,而不知察士之类。察士之善恶,类能而任之。
Interpretation

Gongsun Long was a retainer of Lord Pingyuan of the state of Zhao. Kong Chuan was a descendant of Confucius. When Kong Chuan met Gongsun Long, he said to him: “I live in the state of Lu and have long heard of your reputation. I admire your wisdom and character, and I have wished for a long time to take you as my teacher. Today I finally have the chance to meet you. Yet the one thing I cannot accept is your view that ‘a white horse is not a horse.’ Please give up the doctrine that ‘a white horse is not a horse,’ and I will be willing to become your disciple.”

Gongsun Long said: “Your words contradict themselves. The very doctrine I study is that ‘a white horse is not a horse.’ If I were made to abandon it, I would have nothing left with which to teach anyone. If I have nothing to teach, and yet you still wish to learn from me, that does not hold together. Moreover, one who wishes to learn from me does so because he feels that his own wisdom and learning fall short of mine. Now you would have me first abandon ‘a white horse is not a horse’ and only then take me as your teacher. That is to be the teacher first and the student afterward, and it will not do.

“The lesson you wish to teach me closely resembles what the King of Qi said to Yin Wen. The King of Qi asked Yin Wen: ‘I am very fond of worthy men, yet worthy men cannot be found in Qi. Why is this?’ Yin Wen asked: ‘May I ask what sort of person Your Majesty means by a worthy man?’ The king could not answer.

“Yin Wen then said: ‘Suppose there is a man who is loyal in serving his ruler, filial in serving his parents, trustworthy toward his friends, and harmonious in his village. If he possesses these four qualities, may he be called a worthy man?’ The king said: ‘Yes. This is precisely the worthy man I mean.’ Yin Wen asked again: ‘If Your Majesty obtained such a man, would you be willing to employ him?’ The king said: ‘This is what I have long sought and failed to find.’

“At that time the King of Qi favored men of courage and martial valor. When a sage employs men of talent, he assigns offices according to each person’s ability and does not decide whom to take or reject solely by personal preference. Yet the king sought worthy men only according to his own likes, just as one insists on distinguishing a white horse from a horse. How could he truly obtain worthy men?

“Yin Wen then asked further: ‘If this man is insulted before a great crowd and yet never dares to fight, would Your Majesty still employ him?’ The king said: ‘Can he still count as a worthy man? To suffer insult and not dare to fight is a disgrace. Such a man I will not employ.’

“Yin Wen said: ‘He has only been insulted and has not fought; he has not lost those four qualities. Since all four remain, on what grounds is he no longer a worthy man? Your Majesty just called him a worthy man, and now you are unwilling to employ him. Then is the worthy man you spoke of a moment ago not a worthy man after all?’ The king had no answer.

“Yin Wen went on: ‘Suppose a ruler, in governing his state, reproaches a person who has done wrong, and reproaches equally one who has done no wrong; rewards a person who has merit, and rewards equally one who has no merit. He then still complains that the people fail to keep the state in good order. Does this make sense?’ The king said: ‘It does not.’

“Yin Wen said: ‘I have privately observed the officials who govern Qi, and their practice is just like this.’ The king said: ‘If my government of the state is indeed as you describe, then even if the people fail to govern well, I dare not blame them.’ Yin Wen replied: ‘I fear Your Majesty’s thinking has not yet reached the root of the matter. Are my words without foundation? Having pointed out the defects in Qi’s administration, how could I fail to explain the cause?

“‘Your Majesty has commanded that one who kills shall be put to death, and one who injures another shall be punished. Some, standing in awe of the royal command, dare not fight even when insulted. This is precisely obedience to the royal command. Yet Your Majesty says that to suffer insult and not fight is a disgrace. That is to reproach him. Your Majesty reproaches him without cause, then strikes him from the register of officials and employs him no longer; to employ him no longer is to punish him. Thus he is guilty of no crime, yet Your Majesty punishes him.

“‘Moreover, once Your Majesty regards not daring to fight as a disgrace, you must regard daring to fight as praiseworthy. If you hold daring to fight to be right, you will employ those who dare to fight. To employ them is to reward them. Thus that man has no merit, yet Your Majesty rewards him. What Your Majesty rewards is precisely what the officials punish; what the ruler holds to be right is precisely what the law holds to be wrong. Reward, punishment, right, and wrong—these four fall into confusion with one another. Even if there were ten Yellow Emperors, they could not govern well.’ The King of Qi had nothing to say in reply.

“If a ruler disregards the laws and decrees, the state has no proper order of government. Even if there were ten sages, they could not rescue such disorder. So I feel that your words are very much like those of the King of Qi. You know how to use ‘a white horse is not a horse’ in disputation, yet you do not understand the principle within it—just as the King of Qi knew only how to cherish the reputation of loving worthy men, but did not know how to distinguish the categories of worthy men. One must examine the good and evil and the categories of men of talent, and employ them according to their abilities.”

白马论第二 白马非马,可乎? 曰:可。夫阐微言,明王道,莫不立宾主,致往复,假一物以为万化之宗,寄言论而齐彼我之谬,故举白马以混同异。 曰:何哉? 曰:马者所以命形也,白者所以命色也,命色者,非命形也,故日白马非马。马形者,喻万物之形,皆材用也。马色者,况万马者所以命形也,白者所以命色也,命色者,非命形也,故日白马非马。马形者,喻万物之形,皆材用也。马色者,况万物种类,各有亲疏也。以养万物,则天下归存,亲疏以待人,则海内叛。譬如离色命马,众马斯应,守白求马,唯得白马。故命形而守一白色者,非命众马也。 曰:有白马不可谓无马也。不可谓无马者,非马也。既有白马,不可谓之无马,则白马岂非马乎。有白马,为有马白之非马,何也?白与马连而白非马,何故?
Interpretation

Can one say that a white horse is not a horse?

Yes. To bring out subtle principles and to explain the way of governing the state, one often sets up two parties in question and answer and develops a sustained debate. One also borrows some concrete thing to illustrate a general principle, and through argument sorts out the points at which people confuse one thing with another and mix up right and wrong. Thus “white horse” is taken here as an example, in order to discuss the question of names that are the same and names that differ.

Why say this?

The name “horse” is used to designate form, and the name “white” is used to designate color. A name that designates color is not a name that designates form, and so one says that a white horse is not a horse. The form of a horse may serve as a figure for the form and use proper to each of the myriad things; the color of a horse may serve as a figure for the different categories of the myriad things and for their relations of closeness and distance. If the myriad things are nurtured in a fitting way, the world can be at peace; if people are treated according to closeness and distance, the people of the world will grow estranged. Suppose, for instance, that one identifies only by the name “horse” and does not restrict the color: then many horses all qualify. If one seeks a horse only by recognizing white, one can find only a white horse. Therefore, to name the horse according to form, and yet to make white the sole limiting condition, is to fail to take in all horses.

If so, then since there is a white horse, one cannot say that there is no horse; and since one cannot say that there is no horse, is a white horse then not a horse? There is already a white horse—why say that it is not a horse? “White” and “horse” joined together are called “white horse,” yet whiteness itself is not a horse. Why is this?

曰:求马,黄黑马皆可致。求白马,黄黑马不可致。凡物亲者少,疏者多,如一白之於众色也。故求马,黄黑马皆可致。求白马,黄黑马不可致。凡物亲者少,疏者多,如一白之於众色也。故离白求马,黄黑皆至,以白命马,众色咸去,怀柔之道,亦犹此也。使白马乃马也,是所求一也;所求一者,白者不异马也。设使白马乃为有马者,但是一马耳,其材不异众马也。犹君之所私者;但是一人耳,其贤不异众人也。人心不常於一君,亦犹马形不专於一色,故君之爱已则附之,君之疏己则叛之,何可私其亲党而疏於天下乎。所求不异,如黄黑马有可有不可,何也?可与不可,其相非明。故黄黑马一也,而可以应有马,而不可以应有白马;是白马之非马,疏於天下乎。所求不异,如黄黑马有可有不可,何也?可与不可,其相非明。故黄黑马一也,而可以应有马,而不可以应有白马;是白马之非马,审矣。如黄黑马亦各一马,不异马也而不可以应众马不可以应白马者,何哉?白非黄,黄非白,五色相非,分明矣。君既私以待人,人亦私以叛君,宁肯应君命乎?故守白命马者,非能致众马,审矣。
Interpretation

Someone says: If one is looking for a horse, a yellow horse or a black horse may both be brought; if one is looking for a white horse, a yellow horse or a black horse cannot be brought. Among all things, those that meet a particular requirement are few, and those that do not are many, just as white stands in relation to the many colors. Therefore, if one seeks a horse, a yellow horse or a black horse may both be brought; if one seeks a white horse, a yellow horse or a black horse cannot be brought.

Set aside the color condition “white,” and speak only of seeking a horse: both the yellow horse and the black horse will come. Specify a white horse, and horses of every other color fail to qualify. Governing by a generous and inclusive method is much the same.

If a white horse is also a horse, then the requirements indicated by “white horse” and by “horse” are one and the same. If the requirements are the same, a white horse ought not to be distinguished from a horse. Even though a white horse is only one among all horses, its endowment is no more special than that of any other horse. Likewise, a person favored by the ruler is still only one person, and is not necessarily more worthy or able than the many.

The human heart will not remain loyal forever to a single ruler, just as a horse does not appear in only one color. When the ruler draws people close, they attach themselves to him; when the ruler holds them at a distance, they may turn away. How can a ruler draw close only to his own partisans while remaining distant from the people of the realm?

Someone asks further: “If the requirements do not differ, why are yellow horses and black horses sometimes acceptable and sometimes not? Whether they meet the requirement or not, the difference is perfectly plain. Yellow horses and black horses are equally horses: they can satisfy the demand to ‘seek a horse,’ yet they cannot satisfy the demand to ‘seek a white horse.’ Does this not show precisely that a white horse differs from what is ordinarily called a ‘horse’?”

A yellow horse and a black horse are each one horse, yet they cannot meet the demand to “seek horses of every kind” or to “seek a white horse.” Why is this? White is not yellow, and yellow is not white; the five colors differ from one another, and the boundaries are clear. If a ruler treats people with a heart of partiality, people will likewise turn from the ruler because of partiality—how, then, would they be willing to obey his commands? Thus, to seek a horse by specifying only “white” is plainly unable to summon horses of every kind.

曰:以马之有色为非马,天下非有无色之马也,天下无马,可乎?以马有色为非马者,天下马皆有色;岂无马乎?犹人皆有亲疏,不可谓无人也。 曰:马固有色,故有白马。使马无色,有马而#2已耳,安取白者,天下马皆有色;岂无马乎?犹人皆有亲疏,不可谓无人也。 曰:马固有色,故有白马。使马无色,有马而#2已耳,安取白马?故白者非马也。如,而也。马皆有色,故有白马耳。若使马元无色,而独有马而已者,则马耳,安取白马乎?如人必因种类而生,故有华夷之别,若使元无氏族,而独有人者,安取亲疏乎?故白者,自是白,非马者也。白马者,马与白也。马与白马也,故日白马非马也。白既非马,则白与马二物矣。合二物以共体,则不可偏谓之马。故以马而喻白,则白马为非马也。
Interpretation

Someone said: “If one holds that a horse, because it has color, is not a horse, then, since there is no colorless horse under heaven, may one say that there are no horses under heaven?” The reply was: “To call a colored horse not a horse is only because every horse under heaven has color; does it follow from this that there are no horses? It is like the fact that everyone stands in relations of closeness and distance; one cannot on that account say that there are no people in the world.”

Someone else said: “A horse inherently has color, and only for that reason is there a white horse. If a horse had no color, there would be only the horse, and how could there be a white horse? All the horses under heaven have color; does it follow from this that there are no horses? It is like the fact that everyone stands in relations of closeness and distance; one cannot on that account say that there are no people in the world.”

Someone else said: “A horse inherently has color, and only for that reason is there a white horse. If a horse had no color, there would be only the horse, and how could there be a white horse? Therefore, what is white is not a horse.”

Here “white” means the color white, and “horse” means the horse; “white horse” is a designation that joins the two attributes “horse” and “white.” Horses all have color, and only for that reason are there white horses. If a horse originally had no color, and there were only the concept of the horse, how could there be a white horse? It is like human beings being born according to kind and lineage, and thus there being the distinction between the Hua and the Yi; if there were originally no clans, and only the concept of the person, from where could one speak of closeness and distance? Thus “white” in itself is whiteness and is not a horse; “white horse” comprises both the horse and whiteness. Since whiteness is not equivalent to the horse, white and horse are two things. When the two are joined to form a white horse, one cannot call it simply a “horse.” Therefore, when one uses the horse to account for whiteness, a white horse cannot be equated with a horse.

曰:马未与白为马,白未与马为白。合马与白,复名白马。是相与以不相与为名,未可。故曰,白马非马未可。此宾述主义而难之也。马自与马为类,白自与白为类,故日相与也。马不与白为马,白不与马为白,故日不相与也。合马与白,复名白马。乃是,白自与白为类,故日相与也。马不与白为马,白不与马为白,故日不相与也。合马与白,复名白马。乃是强用白色以为马名,其义未可。故以白马为非马者,未可也。上之未可主义,下之未可宾难也。 曰:以有白马为有马,谓有白马为有黄马,可乎? 曰:未可。主责宾日,定以白马为有马者,则白马可得为黄马乎?宾曰未可也。
Interpretation

Someone says: “Horse and white have not been combined and called ‘horse,’ nor has white been combined and called ‘white.’ Only when ‘horse’ and ‘white’ are joined together is there, in addition, the name ‘white horse.’ To take two things that were not originally combined and join them under one name will not do. Therefore, to say that ‘a white horse is not a horse’ will not do either.” This is the claim advanced by the guest, and the host calls it into question.

Horse, in itself, takes horse as one class, and whiteness, in itself, takes whiteness as one class; hence it is said that each is combined on its own. A horse cannot be called a horse merely by virtue of whiteness, and white cannot be called white merely by virtue of horse; hence it is also said that they are not combined. When horse and whiteness are put together, the result is called a white horse. Spoken of in this way, whiteness still belongs to the class of white, and so one says that they are combined; yet a horse cannot be called a horse merely by whiteness, nor white called white merely by horse, and so one also says that they are not combined. To combine horse and whiteness and call the result a white horse is in fact to force “white,” by a strained expedient, into serving as a name for horse, and this way of speaking does not hold. Therefore, to conclude on this basis that “a white horse is not a horse” does not hold either. The earlier statement that it “does not hold” is the thesis advanced by the host; the later statement that it “does not hold” is the host’s rebuttal of the guest’s claim.

It is further asked: “If having a white horse already counts as having a horse, can having a white horse be spoken of as having a yellow horse?”

The reply is: “No.” The host questions the guest in return: “Since you hold that having a white horse is equivalent to having a horse, may a white horse be counted as a yellow horse?” The guest answers: “It may not.”

曰:以有马为异有黄马,是异黄马於马也。异黄马於马,是以黄马为非马。既以白马为有马,而黄马不得为白马,则黄马为非马明。执者未尝不失矣。以黄马为非马,有马为异有黄马,是异黄马於马也。异黄马於马,是以黄马为非马。既以白马为有马,而黄马不得为白马,则黄马为非马明。执者未尝不失矣。以黄马为非马,而以白马为有马,此飞者入池,而棺椁异处,此天下之悖言乱辞也。黄、白、色也。众马,形也。而强以色为形,飞者入池之谓也。黄马白马同为马也。而取白弃黄,棺椁异处之谓也。凡棺椁之相待,犹历齿之相依,膺亡齿寒,不可异处也。夫四夷守外,诸夏待内,内外相依,天下安矣。若乃私诸夏而疏夷狄,则夷狄叛矣。勒兵伐远,人不堪命,则诸夏乱矣。内离外叛,棺椁异所,则君之所私者,不能独辅君、矣。故弃黄取白,悖乱之,人不堪命,则诸夏乱矣。内离外叛,棺椁异所,则君之所私者,不能独辅君、矣。故弃黄取白,悖乱之甚矣。
Interpretation

Some say: “To regard having a horse as different from having a yellow horse is to exclude the yellow horse from the class of horses. To exclude the yellow horse from the class of horses is tantamount to saying that a yellow horse is not a horse. Since one grants that a white horse is a horse, yet does not grant that a yellow horse is a white horse, the conclusion that a yellow horse is not a horse would seem to be clear.” Yet those who persist in this view are never free of error.

To say “a yellow horse is not a horse,” and also to say “having a horse differs from having a yellow horse,” is still to exclude the yellow horse from horses; to exclude the yellow horse from horses is to say that a yellow horse is not a horse. Since a white horse is a horse, while a yellow horse is not a white horse, to assert on that basis that a yellow horse is not a horse remains untenable.

To call a yellow horse not a horse, while calling a white horse a horse, is like saying that what can fly falls into a pond, and like placing the inner coffin and the outer coffin in different places—all of these are absurd and confused sayings in the world. Yellow and white refer to color; the various horses refer to bodily form. To force color to count as form is as absurd as saying that a flying thing drops into a pool. A yellow horse and a white horse are equally horses, yet to accept only the white horse and reject the yellow horse is like setting the inner coffin and the outer coffin apart.

The inner coffin and the outer coffin fit one another, just as teeth rest against one another in succession; if one is damaged, the other is affected as well, and they cannot be separated. The Yi and Di of the four quarters guard the frontiers, while the various Xia of the Central Plains dwell in the interior; inner and outer depend upon each other, and only then can all under heaven be at peace. If one favors the various Xia and keeps the Yi and Di at a distance, the Yi and Di will rebel; if one raises troops to attack distant regions and burdens the people beyond what they can bear, the various Xia too will fall into disorder. Division within and rebellion without are like the inner coffin and the outer coffin standing in two separate places. In that case, even the side the ruler prefers cannot assist the ruler on its own. Therefore, to cast aside the yellow horse and acknowledge only the white horse is an extremely absurd and confused practice.

曰:有白马不可谓无马者,离白之谓也。是#3离者有白马不可谓有马也。故所以为有马者,独以马为有马耳,非以#4白马为有马。故其为有马也,不可以谓马马也。宾日为白是离有马,不离实为非马,但以马形、马色坚相连属,便是二马共体,不可谓之马马,故连称白马也。 曰:白者不定所白,忘之而可也。万物通有白色,故曰不定所白,白既不定在马,马亦不专於白,故连属,便是二马共体,不可谓之马马,故连称白马也。
Interpretation

Someone said: “To grant that there is a white horse is not yet to say that there is a horse; this is to treat ‘white’ and ‘horse’ as separate. In that case, although there is a white horse, one still cannot say there is a horse. Thus, to say there is a horse can only be because there is the thing called ‘horse,’ and not because there is a white horse. In other words, the existence of a white horse cannot be directly equated with the existence of a horse.” The guest replied: “A white horse is spoken of by joining ‘white’ and ‘horse’; if the two are taken apart, a white horse cannot count as a complete horse. Only when the form of the horse is combined with whiteness is it called a white horse. One must therefore say ‘white horse’ as a single expression, and cannot speak of it as two horses.”

Someone went on to say: “Whiteness does not belong exclusively to any one kind of thing, and for the moment we need not pursue it. All things may be white, so whiteness does not refer specifically to the horse; nor does the horse refer specifically to whiteness. Since ‘white’ and ‘horse’ each have their own reference, only when they are combined is there a white horse. One must therefore say ‘white horse’ together, and cannot speak of it as two horses.”

曰:白者不定所白,忘之而可也。万物通有白色,故曰不定所白,白既不定在马,马亦不专於白,故忘色以求马,众马皆应矣。忘私以亲人,天下皆亲矣。白马者,言白定所白也。定所白者,非白也。定白在马者,乃马之白也。安得自为白乎?马者,无去取於色,故黄黑皆所以应。直云马者,是於众色,无所去取也。无取,故马无不应,无去,故色无不在。是以圣人,淡然忘怀,而以虚统物,故物无不洽,而理无不极。白马者,有去取於色,黄黑马皆所以色去,故唯白马独可以应耳。去黄取白,则众马各守其色,自殊而去,故唯白马独应矣。王者党其所私而疏天下,则天下各守其疏,自殊而叛矣。天下俱叛,谁当应君命哉?其唯所私乎?所私独应命,物适足增祸,不能静,乱也。无去者,非有去也,故曰白马非而疏天下,则天下各守其疏,自殊而叛矣。天下俱叛,谁当应君命哉?其唯所私乎?所私独应命,物适足增祸,不能静,乱也。无去者,非有去也,故曰白马非马。不取於白者,是不去黄也,不去於色,则色之与马,非有能去。故曰无去者,非有去也。凡黄白之在马,犹亲疏之在人,私亲而皆疏,则疏者叛矣。疏有离叛,则亲不能独存矣。故日白马非马。是以圣人,虚心洞照,理无不统,怀六合於胸中,而灵鉴有余;烛万象於方寸,而其神弥静。故能处亲而无亲,在疏而无疏,虽不取於亲疏,亦不舍於亲疏,所以四海同亲,万国共贯也。
Interpretation

The attribute “white” cannot be fixed as belonging to any one thing alone, so one need not cling to it at the outset. All things may be white, and therefore white does not belong exclusively to the horse, nor does the horse belong exclusively to white. If color is set aside for the moment and one seeks only by “horse,” every kind of horse one meets can satisfy the requirement. When personal favoritism is laid down and all people are treated with an impartial mind, everyone under Heaven can draw near.

To speak of a “white horse” is to confine whiteness to the horse. Once the white in question has been so confined, “white horse” cannot be taken directly as the same as saying “white” alone. Only when whiteness falls upon a horse is it the whiteness of a horse; how could whiteness detach itself from concrete things and stand alone as its own white? The name “horse” does not select for color, so a yellow horse and a black horse also answer to the designation “horse.” To say only “horse” is to face every color without exclusion and without selection. Because nothing is excluded, horses of every kind can respond; because color is not selected, horses of every color are included.

Thus the sage’s mind is plain and unattached, unburdened by preconceived views. With a mind of emptiness and stillness he holds all things together, and so can accord with them and comprehend the principles of affairs in full. To say “white horse,” however, is already to have chosen in matters of color: the yellow horse and the black horse are shut out because their colors do not match, and only the white horse fits. When the yellow horse is discarded and the white horse is chosen, the various horses each keep to their own kind and stand apart from one another.

If a ruler favors those close to him and keeps the people of the world at a distance, the people of the world will each remain in their place of distance, cut off from one another, and in the end turn away. Once everyone under Heaven has turned away, who will still heed the ruler’s commands? Probably only those he favors will remain. Yet if only the favored obey, the calamity is deepened rather than eased: the situation cannot be settled, and the result is disorder.

What is called “not excluding” is not a deliberate rejection of anything; it means not shutting things out at all on account of some attribute. Hence it is said that “a white horse is not a horse.” Not clinging to white is precisely not excluding yellow. When no color is excluded, neither color nor horse can exclude the other. Thus not excluding is not some further exclusion of something else.

The relation of the yellow horse and the white horse to “horse” is like closeness and distance among people. If one favors only those who are close, everyone else is thereby kept distant; once the distant scatter and rebel, those who are close cannot uphold the situation by themselves. Hence it is said that “a white horse is not a horse.”

Therefore the sage, empty-minded and clear-sighted, can hold together every principle of affairs, taking heaven, earth, and the four quarters—the six conjunctions—into his breast while still retaining lucid insight. He reflects the myriad things within his mind, yet his spirit (Shen) grows all the more still. In this way, though he stands amid relations of closeness, he is not partial to those who are close; facing those who are distant, he does not treat them as outsiders. He neither clings to closeness and distance nor sets closeness and distance aside. Then the people of the four seas can all draw near, and the various states can communicate with one another.

公孙龙子卷上竟 #1『倍』原误作『陪』,据百子本校正。 #2『而』原为『如』,据王管本改。 #3『是』原为』不』,共贯也。 公孙龙子卷上竟 #1『倍』原误作『陪』,据百子本校正。 #2『而』原为『如』,据王管本改。 #3『是』原为』不』,据王管本改。 #4『以』原为『有』!据王管本改。 公孙龙子卷中 赵人公孙龙着 指物论第三 物莫非指,而指非指。物我殊能,莫非相指,故曰物莫非指。相指者,相是非也。彼此相推,是非混一,归於无指,故曰而指非指。天下无指,物无可以谓物。指皆谓是非也,所以物莫非指者。凡物之情,必相是非,天下若无是非之物,则无一物而可谓之物,是以有物。即相是非,故物莫非指也。非指者天下,而物可谓指乎?物莫非指,而又谓之非指者,天下齐焉。而物其可谓之指是非之物,则无一物而可谓之物,是以有物。即相是非,故物莫非指也。非指者天下,而物可谓指乎?物莫非指,而又谓之非指者,天下齐焉。而物其可谓之指乎?物物皆妄相指,故指皆非指也。 指也者,天下之所无也;物也者,天下之所有也。以天下之所有为天下之所无,未可。天下无一日而无物,无一物而非适,故强以物为指者,未可也。
Interpretation

Wu (things) are what actually exists in the world, while zhi (designations) are the names or judgments people use to refer to and distinguish things. Between things there is always a relation of mutual comparison and of judging right and wrong, and so it is said that no thing can do without zhi. Yet when people designate and judge one another, they often each cling to one side, so that right and wrong become confused, and in the end there is no fixed and unchanging zhi. Hence it is also said that zhi is not a fixed zhi.

If the world had no designations or judgments of right and wrong at all, nothing could be called a particular kind of thing; it is precisely because things are distinguished from one another that we have what we call wu. But it is also inappropriate, on this account, to take things themselves as zhi: the things of the world exist all along, and each thing has its own condition, so one cannot forcibly call wu zhi. The myriad things of the world arbitrarily designate one another, and therefore those zhi cannot be regarded as determinate and unchanging zhi either.

Zhi is not a substantial entity that exists among the myriad things of the world; wu is what actually exists in the world. To treat actually existing wu as non-existent zhi is inappropriate. There is not a day in the world without things, nor is there any thing that does not exist each in its own way; therefore, forcibly taking wu as zhi is improper.

天下无指,而物不可谓指也。所以天下无是非者,物各适其适,不可谓之是非,故无是非也。不可谓指者,非指也。譬如可也。 天下无指,而物不可谓指也。所以天下无是非者,物各适其适,不可谓之是非,故无是非也。不可谓指者,非指也。譬如水火殊性,各适其用,既无是非,安得谓之是非乎。非指者,物莫非指也。即夫非指之物,莫不妄相指也。天下无指而物不可谓指者,非有非指也。物不可谓指者,无是非也。岂唯无是非乎?亦无无是非也。故曰非有非指。非有非指者,物莫非指也。物莫非指者,而指非指也。以乎无无是非,故万物莫不相是非,故曰非有非指者,物莫非指也。无是非,亦无无是非,两忘之故,终日是非而无是非,故曰物莫非指者,而指非指也。
Interpretation

In the world there is no zhi (designation or criterion of judgment) that stands apart from the myriad things and can determine everything; therefore one cannot fixedly declare any particular thing to be zhi. Nor are there absolute “right” and “wrong”: the myriad things each accord with their own circumstances, and one cannot judge across the board which is right and which is wrong. Hence it is said that right and wrong do not obtain in any absolute sense.

Water and fire differ in nature, and each has its own use. Since each is suited to its own purpose, how can one say that one is right and the other wrong? To speak here of “not zhi” is not to say that none of the myriad things counts as a designation, but that there is no designation that remains fixed and unchanging. In fact, any of the myriad things may become an object that people designate, and people constantly point one another out and pass judgment.

Since there is no absolute right and wrong, one need not then treat “the absence of right and wrong” as an absolute conclusion either. Only by clinging neither to “there being right and wrong” nor to “there being no right and wrong” does one reach the forgetting of both sides (not holding fast to either). People therefore spend the whole day disputing right and wrong, yet do not regard right and wrong as fixed and unchanging standards. The saying that “there is nothing among the myriad things that does not become a designation,” while “the designation is not itself a fixed designation,” means precisely this.

That the world has no fixed standard of designation arises because each of the myriad things has its own manner of being. Whether one affirms right and wrong or holds that there is fundamentally no right and wrong, one does not cling to either position; once both sides have been set aside, even if one discusses right and wrong all day long, one does not take right and wrong as an absolute standard.

天下无指者,生於物之各。无是非,亦无无是非,两忘之故,终日是非而无是非,故曰物莫非指者,而指非指也。 天下无指者,生於物之各有名,不为指也。物有其实,而各有名谓,若王良善御,隶首善计,彼物各自为用,譬之耳目,废一不可,故不必为是非也。不为指而谓之指,是兼不为指。物皆不为指,而或谓之指者,是彼此之物,兼相是非,而是非莫定,故不为指也。以有不为指之无不为指,未可。之,适也。有不为指,谓物也。无不为指,谓指也。以物适指,故未可也。 且指者,天是非莫定,故不为指也。以有不为指之无不为指,未可。之,适也。有不为指,谓物也。无不为指,谓指也。以物适指,故未可也。 且指者,天下之所兼。或一物而有是非二名,或彼此更相为指,皆谓之兼也。天下无指者,物不可谓无指也。不可谓无指者,非有非指也。是非之名,生於物相彼,故曰物不可谓无指。即此万物无指,而又无无指,故曰非有非指也。非有非指者,物莫非指,谓无是非者,生於物莫非指也。是以圣人求人於是非之内,乃得无是非人也。指非非指也,指与物非指也。夫谓之指者,非无指也,指既不能与物细溅为非者,生於物莫非指也。是以圣人求人於是非之内,乃得无是非人也。指非非指也,指与物非指也。夫谓之指者,非无指也,指既不能与物细溅为指,故非指也。
Interpretation

There is in the world no “zhi” (designation, pointing) that stands on its own apart from concrete things, for every kind of thing has its own name, and these names are not independently existing “zhi.” Things each have their actual content, and each has its name. Wang Liang, for example, excelled at driving a chariot, and Li Shou excelled at reckoning; each performs a different function, just as the ear and the eye do—neither can be lacking—so one need not on that basis decide who is right and who is wrong.

If one calls a “zhi” that does not exist independently a “zhi,” one is at the same time calling it not a “zhi.” The myriad things are themselves none of them independent “zhi,” yet people sometimes call them “zhi.” This is because things compare with one another and judge one another’s right and wrong, so that the standard of right and wrong cannot be fixed; hence one says that they are not independent “zhi.” To try to infer from “some things are not zhi” that “there is nothing that is not zhi” is an inference that does not hold. “Shi” (correspondence, belonging) means matching or assignment: “some are not zhi” is said of things, while “there is nothing that is not zhi” is said of “zhi.” To understand things by assigning them to “zhi” therefore cannot be established.

Furthermore, “zhi” concerns the merging and interconnection among the things of the world. The standard of right and wrong cannot be fixed, so things are not independent “zhi.” To infer from “some things are not zhi” that “there is nothing that is not zhi” still will not do. “Shi” is correspondence: “some are not zhi” refers to things, and “there is nothing that is not zhi” refers to “zhi.” To set things in correspondence with “zhi” means that this inference cannot be established.

“Zhi” is a relation in which the things of the world are commonly involved. Sometimes one and the same thing bears two mutually opposed names; sometimes things are in turn taken as one another’s “zhi.” All of this may be called “jian” (combining). To say that the world has no independent “zhi” is not to say that things may be called wholly without “zhi.” Since one cannot say that things are wholly without “zhi,” one also cannot say of them that they truly possess an independent “zhi.”

Names of right and wrong arise from mutual comparison among things, so one cannot say that things are altogether without “zhi.” The myriad things have neither an independent “zhi” nor an independent “non-zhi,” and so they can be classed neither simply as “having zhi” nor simply as “lacking zhi.” What is meant by “none of the myriad things is an independent zhi” is that the claim “there is no right and wrong” arises from the circumstance in which the myriad things can all be called “zhi.” It is precisely by seeking amid the disputes of right and wrong that the sage finds the person who is not bound by right and wrong.

“Zhi” is not “non-zhi.” Neither “zhi” nor things can be said to be independent “zhi.” To say that something is “zhi” is not to say that it is wholly without “zhi”; yet “zhi” cannot be sharply separated from things, and so one cannot treat “zhi” as something existing independently of things.

使天下无物指#1,谁径谓非指?天下无物,谁径谓指?设使天下无物无指,则寂然矣,谁谓指为非指乎?谁谓指为指乎?天下有指无物指,谁径谓非指?径谓无物非指?设使有指、而无物可施指者,谁谓有指为非指乎?谁谓有无物故非指乎?明本无指也。且夫指固自为非指,奚待於物而乃与为指。反覆相指?径谓无物非指?设使有指、而无物可施指者,谁谓有指为非指乎?谁谓有无物故非指乎?明本无指也。且夫指固自为非指,奚待於物而乃与为指。反覆相推,则指自为无指,何能与物为指乎?明万物万殊,各自为物,各有所宜,无是非也。是以圣人渊默,恬淡忘是忘非,不弃一能,不遗一物也。 通变论第四 曰:二有一乎? 曰:二无一。如白与马为二物,不可合一以为二。 曰:二有右乎? 曰:二无右。 曰:二有左乎? 曰:二无左。左右合不位也。不可合二以为右,亦不可合二以为左,明二必无为一之道也。:二有左乎? 曰:二无左。左右合不位也。不可合二以为右,亦不可合二以为左,明二必无为一之道也。 曰:右可谓二乎? 曰:不可。 曰:左可谓二乎? 曰:不可。不可分右以为二,亦不可分左以为二,明一无为二之道也。 曰:左与右可谓二乎?
Interpretation

If the world had no zhi (the concept or name by which things are designated), who could straightaway say that zhi is not zhi? If the world contained nothing at all, who could straightaway say that zhi is zhi? Suppose the world had neither things nor zhi: everything would sink into wordless silence, and who would still say that zhi is not zhi, or that zhi is zhi?

The world has zhi, yet nothing that can be designated. Who can straightaway say that zhi is not zhi? And who can straightaway say, “There is nothing to designate, and therefore it is not zhi”? This shows that zhi does not originally depend on particular things in order to exist. What is more, zhi itself can already be spoken of as not being zhi; why wait until one encounters some thing, and only then join with it so as to become zhi? If zhi is used again and again to designate zhi, then zhi itself becomes a zhi that designates nothing. How, then, could it join with things in order to designate them?

This shows that the myriad things each differ, each becoming the thing that it is, and each having a state that suits it; there is no absolute right or wrong. The sage therefore remains deep and silent, calm and at ease, forgetting right and wrong. He neither abandons any capacity nor overlooks any thing.

On Understanding Change, the Fourth

It is asked whether two things can be combined into one. The answer is that two cannot be combined into one. White and horse, for example, are two distinct things; one cannot merge them into a single thing and count them as two.

It is asked whether two things have a right side in common. The answer is that two have no right side in common.

It is asked whether two things have a left side in common. The answer is that two have no left side in common. When left and right are joined together, there is no fixed position. One cannot call the two combined “right,” nor call them “left.” This shows that two certainly cannot become one.

It is asked whether the right side can be called two. The answer is that it cannot.

It is asked whether the left side can be called two. The answer is that it cannot. One cannot split the right into two, nor split the left into two. This shows that one cannot become two.

It is asked whether left and right may be called two.

曰:可。左右异位,故可谓二。 曰:谓变非不变,可乎? 曰:可。一不可谓二,二亦不可谓一,必矣。物有迁变之道,则不可谓之不变也。 曰:右有与,可谓变乎? 曰:可。有与,谓右移於左,则物一而变为异类,如馄化为变之道,则不可谓之不变也。 曰:右有与,可谓变乎? 曰:可。有与,谓右移於左,则物一而变为异类,如馄化为鹏,忠变为逆,存亡靡定,祸福不居,皆是一物化为他类,故举右以明一百变而不改一。 曰:变只。馄鹏二物,只以变为二矣,何谓不得一变为二乎7 曰:右。馄化为鹏,一物化为一物,如右移於左,终是向者之右。 曰:右苟变,安可谓右?苟不变,安可谓变?右移於左,安可仍谓之右?知汉一物,安可谓之变乎?明二可一,而一可二也。 曰:二苟无左,又无右,二者左与右,奈何? 羊合牛非马,假令羊居左,牛居右,共成一物,不可偏谓之羊,亦不可偏谓之牛,既无所名,不可合谓之马,故二物不可为一,明矣。牛合羊非鸡。变为他物,如左右易位,故以牛左居右,共成一物,不可偏谓之羊,亦不可偏谓之牛,既无所名,不可合谓之马,故二物不可为一,明矣。牛合羊非鸡。变为他物,如左右易位,故以牛左羊右,亦非牛非羊又非鸡也。
Interpretation

Someone asked, “May one say so?”

The reply was: “Left and right occupy different positions, and so they may be called two.”

Someone asked, “May one say that things undergo change and, at the same time, do not change?”

The reply was: “Yes. One cannot be called two, and two cannot be called one; this is certain. Yet things have a principle of shifting and transformation, and so one cannot say that they do not change.”

Someone asked, “There is something on the right. May one say that it has changed?”

The reply was: “Yes. Move what is on the right over to the left, and say that it has gone from right to left: the same thing has then changed its position and become a thing situated in another place. It is like the kun (giant fish) changing into the peng (great bird): in each case one kind of thing changes into another kind. One therefore cannot say that it has not changed.”

Someone asked again, “There is something on the right. May one say that it has changed?”

The reply was: “Yes. Move what is on the right over to the left, and the same thing becomes another kind. The kun changes into the peng, loyalty turns into defiance, life and death cannot be fixed, and fortune and misfortune do not stay in place. All of these are cases of one and the same thing changing into a different category. The example of ‘the right’ is raised in order to show that, although things change without cease, they may still themselves be said to be the same.”

Someone asked, “Since the kun and the peng are two things, and through change they become two, why say that one cannot become two by changing?”

The reply was: “Yes. The kun changing into the peng is one thing changing into another thing; just as when the right moves to the left, it is in the end still that former thing which had been on the right.”

Someone asked, “If the thing on the right has changed, how can it still be called the right? If it has not changed, how can one say that it has changed? Once the right has moved to the left, how can it still be called the right? If one already knows that what comes before and what comes after are the same thing, how can one say that it has changed? This shows that two may be joined into one, and that one may also become two.”

Someone asked, “If two things have neither a left nor a right, then what is to be done with these two things—left and right?”

The reply was: “A sheep and an ox joined together are not a horse. Suppose the sheep is on the left and the ox on the right, and they are combined into a single whole: one cannot call it only a sheep, nor only an ox; and since it has no separate name, one cannot call the combination a horse either. It is therefore clear that two things cannot become one. An ox and a sheep joined together are not a chicken either.

“For a thing to become something else is like left and right exchanging places. Thus if the ox is placed on the left and the sheep on the right and they are combined into a single whole, it can be called neither only an ox nor only a sheep, nor is it a chicken; so it is neither ox, nor sheep, nor chicken.”

曰:何哉? 曰:羊与牛唯异,羊有齿,牛无齿,而羊牛之非羊也,之非牛也#2,未可。是不俱有,而或类焉。牛之无齿,不为不足,羊之有齿,而比於牛为有余矣。以羊之有余,而谓之非羊者,未可。然羊之有齿不为有余!则牛之无齿而比於羊固不足矣。以牛之不足於牛为有余矣。以羊之有余,而谓之非羊者,未可。然羊之有齿不为有余!则牛之无齿而比於羊固不足矣。以牛之不足而谓之非牛者,亦未可也。是皆察之天然,各足於其分而俱适矣。故牛自类牛而为牛,羊自类羊而为羊也。羊有角,牛有角;牛之而羊也,羊之而牛也,未可。是俱有而类之不同也。之而犹之为也。以羊牛俱有角,因谓牛为羊,又谓羊为牛者,未可。其所以俱有角者,天然也,而羊牛类异,不可相为也。羊牛有角,马无角;马有尾,羊牛无尾。故日,羊合牛非马也。非马者,无马也。无马者,羊不二,牛不二,而羊牛二。是而羊而牛,非马可也。若举而以是,犹类之不同。若左右,犹是举。马举牛羊若此之悬,故非马也,岂唯非马乎?又羊牛之中无马矣。羊而牛,非马可也。若举而以是,犹类之不同。若左右,犹是举。马举牛羊若此之悬,故非马也,岂唯非马乎?又羊牛之中无马矣。羊一也,不可以为二矣。牛一也,不可以为二矣。则一羊一牛并之而二,可。是羊牛不得谓之马,若以羊牛为马,则二可以为三。故无马而后可也,所以举是羊牛者,假斯类之不可,以定左右之分也。左右之分定,则上下之位明矣。牛羊有毛,鸡有羽。谓鸡足一,数足二;二而一,故三。谓牛羊足一,数足四;四而一,故五。牛羊足五,鸡足三,故曰,牛合羊非鸡。非,有以非鸡也。上云羊合牛,今曰牛合羊者,变文以见左右,移位四而一,故五。牛羊足五,鸡足三,故曰,牛合羊非鸡。非,有以非鸡也。上云羊合牛,今曰牛合羊者,变文以见左右,移位以明君臣,易职而变乱生焉。人之言日,羊有足,牛有足,鸡有足,而不数其足,则似各一足而已。然而历数其足,则牛羊各四,而鸡二,并前所谓一足,则牛羊各五足矣。夫如是,则牛羊与鸡异矣。故日非鸡也。非牛羊者鸡,以为非鸡,而牛羊之中无鸡,故非鸡也。与马以鸡,宁马。材不材,其无以类,审矣。举是谓乱名,是狂举。马以譬正,鸡以喻乱,故等马与鸡,宁取於马。以马有国用之材,而鸡不材,其为非类材,其无以类,审矣。举是谓乱名,是狂举。马以譬正,鸡以喻乱,故等马与鸡,宁取於马。以马有国用之材,而鸡不材,其为非类,审矣。故人君举是不材而与有材者并位,以乱名实,谓之狂举。
Interpretation

Someone asked, “What does this mean?”

The reply was this. Sheep and oxen each differ. Sheep have teeth; oxen do not. Yet one cannot on that account say that a sheep is not a sheep, or that an ox is not an ox. The two are not alike in every feature; they are similar only in certain respects. That an ox has no teeth does not mean the ox is deficient. That a sheep has teeth may, by comparison with the ox, be called one additional feature, but one cannot therefore say that the sheep is not a sheep. A sheep’s having teeth is not, in itself, something superfluous. If one takes the sheep as the basis of comparison, then it is the ox’s lack of teeth that appears as a deficiency. Yet one still cannot, merely because the ox is deficient in this respect, say that the ox is not an ox. Each is born according to its inborn character, each possesses what properly belongs to it, and each accords with its own kind. Thus an ox, according to its kind, is an ox, and a sheep, according to its kind, is a sheep.

Sheep have horns, and oxen have horns as well. One cannot, simply because both sheep and oxen have horns, call the ox a sheep or the sheep an ox. Both have horns, but the kinds to which they belong are different. When one speaks here of “taking a sheep to be an ox” or “taking an ox to be a sheep,” the meaning is treating one thing as another. That both sheep and oxen have horns is so by nature; but sheep and oxen are of different kinds and cannot stand in for one another.

Sheep and oxen have horns; horses do not. Horses have tails; sheep and oxen do not. Therefore, speaking of sheep and oxen together, they are not horses. “Not a horse” means that there is no horse among them. Each sheep is one animal, and each ox is one animal; sheep and oxen taken together are two kinds of things. To say in this way that sheep and oxen are not horses is acceptable. Even when they are cited together as an example, one cannot erase the fact that their kinds differ. Horses differ from sheep and oxen so plainly that the latter are not horses; not only are they not horses, there is indeed no horse among sheep and oxen. The sheep is one kind and cannot be split into two sheep; the ox is likewise one kind and cannot be split into two oxen. If one takes one sheep and one ox and combines them, that makes two kinds of things. To call sheep and oxen a horse would be to count “two kinds” as “three kinds.” Therefore it is proper to point out that there is no horse among sheep and oxen. The example of sheep and oxen relies on the fact that different kinds cannot be conflated, in order to clarify the distinction between left and right. Once the division of left and right is settled, the positions of above and below become clear as well.

Oxen and sheep have hair; chickens have feathers. If one counts a chicken’s foot as one class and then adds the number of its feet, the total is three. If one counts the foot of oxen and sheep as one class and then adds their four feet, the total is five. Reckoned in this way, the feet of oxen and sheep are five and the feet of a chicken are three; therefore one says that oxen and sheep taken together are not a chicken. To say “not a chicken” has a basis. Earlier the wording was “sheep combined with ox”; here it is changed to “ox combined with sheep.” This is a change of expression meant to show a shift in the positions of left and right. Once position changes, the duties of ruler and minister, which serve as the comparison, change with it; and when duties fall into disorder, confusion follows.

People commonly say that a sheep has feet, an ox has feet, and a chicken has feet as well, without counting each one’s feet in detail, so that it sounds as if each had only a single foot. If one counts them one by one, oxen and sheep each have four feet and a chicken has two; adding the class called “foot” mentioned above, oxen and sheep each come to five and the chicken comes to three. In this way oxen and sheep differ from the chicken, and so one says that oxen and sheep are not chickens. Oxen and sheep are not chickens because, when oxen and sheep are examined as one kind, there is no chicken among them.

If one is to compare the chicken with the horse, it is better to take the horse. The horse has abilities that can be put to use in the affairs of the state; the chicken has no such abilities. The two plainly differ in kind and in practical capacity. To set them side by side and treat them as the same is an act that confuses names and stations, and it is a presumptuous measure. Here the horse stands for what is fitting, and the chicken for what is unfitting; therefore, if horse and chicken are placed on a par, one would rather adopt the standard of the horse. If a ruler appoints those without ability alongside those who have ability, confusing titles with actual duties, this is what is called a presumptuous measure.

曰:他辩。 曰青以白非黄,白以青非碧。 曰:何哉? 曰青白不相与而相与,反对也。不相邻而相邻,不害其方也。前以羊牛辩左右,共成一体,而羊牛各碍於一物,不相盈,故又责以他物为辩也。夫青不与白为青,而白不与青为白,故曰不相与。青者,水之色,其方在东。白者,金之色,其方在西。东西相反,青,而白不与青为白,故曰不相与。青者,水之色,其方在东。白者,金之色,其方在西。东西相反,而相对也。东自极於东,西自极於西,故曰不相邻也。东西未始不相接,而相接不相害,故曰相邻不害其方也。不害其方者反而对,各当其所,若左右不骊。骊,色之杂者也。东西正相反而相对,各当其所,居若左右之不相杂,故不害其方也。故一於青不可,一於白不可,恶乎其有黄矣哉?黄其正矣,是正举也,其有君臣之於国焉,故强寿矣。青白各静其所居不相害,故不可不可,一於白不可,恶乎其有黄矣哉?黄其正矣,是正举也,其有君臣之於国焉,故强寿矣。青白各静其所居不相害,故不可合一而谓之青,不可合一而谓之白。夫以青白相辩,犹不一於青白,安得有黄矣哉?然青白之中虽无於黄,天下固不可谓无黄也。黄,正色也,天下固有黄矣。夫云尔者白以喻君,青以喻臣,黄以喻国,故君臣各正其所举,则国强而君寿矣。而且青骊乎白,而白不胜也。白足之胜矣而不胜,是木贼金也。木贼金者碧,碧则非正举矣。白,君道也。青,臣道也。青骊於白,谓权臣擅命,杂君道也。君道杂则君不胜矣。故日而白不胜也。君之制臣,犹金之胜木,其来久矣。而白不胜,为青所骊,是木贼金,而臣掩君之谓也。青染於白,其色碧也。臣而掩君,其道乱也。君道之所以乱,由君不正毕也。青白不相与,而相与;不相胜,则两明也。争而明,其掩君之谓也。青染於白,其色碧也。臣而掩君,其道乱也。君道之所以乱,由君不正毕也。青白不相与,而相与;不相胜,则两明也。争而明,其色碧也。夫青白不相与之物也,今相与杂而不相胜也。不相胜者,谓青染於白,而白不全减,是青不胜白之谓也。洁白之质,而为青所染,是白不胜青之谓也。谓之青而白犹不减,谓之白而为青所染,是白不胜青之谓也。谓之青而白犹不灭,谓之白而为青所驯甫色并章,故曰两明也者。白争而明也,青争白明,俗谓其色碧也。与其碧,宁黄。黄,其马也胜青之谓也。谓之青而白犹不灭,谓之白而为青所驯甫色并章,故曰两明也者。白争而明也,青争白明,俗谓其色碧也。与其碧,宁黄。黄,其马也,其与类乎。等黄於碧,宁取於黄者,黄,中正之色也。马,国用之材也。夫中正之德,国用之材,其亦类矣。故宁取於黄,以类於马。马喻中正也。碧,其鸡也,其与暴乎。碧,不正之色。鸡,不材之禽。故相与为类,暴之青而白,色碧之材,白犹不胜乱。暴则君臣争而两明也。两明者昏不明,非正举也。政之所以暴乱者,君臣争明也。君臣争明则上下昏乱,政令不明,不能正其所举也。非正举者,名实无当,骊色章焉,故曰两明也。两明而道丧,其无有以正焉。名者,命实者也。实者,应名者也。夫两仪之大,万物之多,君父之尊,臣子之贱,百官庶府,卑高等列,实者也。实者,应名者也。夫两仪之大,万物之多,君父之尊,臣子之贱,百官庶府,卑高等列,器用资实,各有定名。圣人司之,正举而不失,则地平天成,尊卑以序,无为而业广,不言而教行。若夫名乖於实,则实不应名,上慢下暴,百度昏错,故曰骊色章焉。骊色之章,则君臣争明,内离外叛。正道衰者,名实不当也。名实之不当,则无以反正,道之丧也。
Interpretation

Tabian (“discernment by means of other things”) is the analysis of principles by appeal to other things. For example, when blue (qing) stands opposed to white, one cannot call white yellow; and when white stands opposed to blue, one cannot call blue bi (a mixed blue-green).

Blue and white are not originally the same color, yet they can be set side by side in contrast. Each occupies its own place, and even when they meet they do not interfere with each other’s position. Earlier, sheep and oxen were used to distinguish left from right by taking them together as one whole; yet sheep and oxen each correspond to different things and cannot stand in for one another, so one must again appeal to other things in order to draw the distinction.

In the Five Phases (wuxing: Wood, Fire, Earth, Metal, Water), blue belongs to Water and lies to the east, while white belongs to Metal and lies to the west. East and west run in opposite directions, yet they face one another. What belongs to the east reaches the farthest limit of the east, and what belongs to the west reaches the farthest limit of the west, and so they are said not to be adjacent. In fact, east and west are not such that they never meet; but meeting does not disturb the position of either. What is called “not harming their directions” means that they stand opposite each other, each resting in its own place, just as left and right are clearly distinguished and not mixed together.

One cannot, therefore, assign the case only to blue, nor only to white. If one spoke only of blue or only of white, where would yellow be? Yellow is the upright color and stands for proper measures. When blue and white each rest in their own place and neither encroaches on the other, they cannot be mixed and still be called only blue or only white. Even if yellow is absent from the opposition of blue and white, one cannot on that account say that the world has no yellow. Yellow is by nature a primary color, so of course yellow exists in the world. Here white figures the ruler, blue the ministers, and yellow the state: when ruler and ministers each keep to their stations, the state can grow strong, and the ruler too can long remain secure.

If blue is mixed into white, white is dyed bi. White ought originally to prevail over blue; now, instead, white cannot prevail over blue, just as Wood overcomes Metal. The bi produced when Wood overcomes Metal is an improper color. White symbolizes the ruler’s Dao (the Way), and blue symbolizes the minister’s Dao. Blue mixed with white means that powerful ministers seize authority and subordinates encroach upon the ruler’s power. Once the ruler’s Dao is confused, the ruler can no longer hold the leading place. This is like Metal, which ought to control Wood, being instead invaded by Wood: the minister screens the ruler. Blue dyeing white into bi is just as ministers overpower the ruler and throw the norms of order into confusion. The ruler’s Dao falls into disorder also because the ruler has failed to set himself aright.

Blue and white are not originally the same; now they are mixed together, yet neither wholly overcomes the other. When blue dyes white and white does not entirely disappear, blue has not prevailed over white; and when the pure quality of white is stained by blue, white has likewise failed to restrain blue. Call it blue, and the white is still not exhausted; call it white, and blue has been mixed into the white. Both colors show themselves, and this is called liangming (“both manifest”). White and blue contend to display themselves, and the color is commonly called bi.

Better to take yellow than to take bi. Yellow is the color of the center and of what is correct, and the horse is a strength the state can put to use. Centered and upright De (Virtue/Power) and talent the state can employ are of a kind, so one would rather take yellow and let it symbolize the useful capacity for which the horse stands. Bi, by contrast, resembles the chicken: bi is an improper color, and the chicken is not a bird equal to a heavy charge, so the two correspond. If blue invades white and becomes bi, the disorder has still not been removed. When ruler and ministers contend with each other to be manifest, confusion arises above and below.

When ruler and ministers contend to be manifest, the orders of government are unclear, and statuses and offices cannot be properly arranged. This is called feizhengju (“not a correct reference”): name and actuality do not correspond, and the mixed color shows through. A name serves to designate an actual thing, and the actual thing ought to accord with its name. Heaven and earth and the myriad things, rulers and fathers together with ministers and sons, the offices of the hundred officials, and every kind of implement each have their fixed rank and name. When the sage takes charge of these affairs and keeps ranks correct and not misplaced, Heaven and earth are settled and the honored and the humble stand in order. He need not toil personally over every matter, yet his undertakings can be broadly accomplished; he need not speak at length, yet moral instruction can still be carried through.

If names run counter to actualities, actualities will not fit their names. Those above grow negligent and those below turn violent, and every institution falls into disorder. When name and actuality are not as they should be, ruler and ministers contend for power, the interior splits, and the exterior turns away; the proper Dao declines because of this. When name and actuality cannot be brought into agreement, there is no way to restore order, and the Dao is lost along with it.

公孙龙子卷中竟 #1王管本无『指』字,此句为『使天下无物』。 #2『而羊牛之非羊也,之非牛也』。王管本作『而牛之非羊也,羊之非牛也』。 公孙龙子卷下 赵人公孙龙着 坚白论第五 坚白石使天下无物』。 #2『而羊牛之非羊也,之非牛也』。王管本作『而牛之非羊也,羊之非牛也』。 公孙龙子卷下 赵人公孙龙着 坚白论第五 坚白石三,可乎? 曰:不可。 曰:二,可乎? 曰:可。 曰:何哉? 曰:无坚得白,其举也二;无白得坚,其举也二。坚也,白也,石也,三物合体而不谓之三者,人自视石,但见石之白,而不见其坚,是举所见名,与白二物,故曰无坚得白。其举也二矣。人手触石,但知石之坚,而不知其白,是举石与坚二物,故日无白得坚。其举也二。 曰:得其所白,不可谓无白;得其所坚,不可谓无坚,而之石也之於然也,非三也?之石,犹此石。坚白共体,不可谓之无坚白,既得其坚白,不曰非三而何? 曰:视不得其所坚而得其所白者,无坚也。纣不得其所白而得其所坚,得其坚也,无白也。坚曰非三而何?
Interpretation

Can hardness, whiteness, and stone, taken together, be called three things?

The answer is no.

Then may one speak of “two”?

The answer is yes.

Why?

The answer is this: when hardness is not seen and only whiteness is seen, what a person cites are two items—whiteness and the stone; when whiteness is not seen and only hardness is felt, what a person cites are likewise two items—hardness and the stone. Hardness, whiteness, and stone are originally three things combined, yet when a person observes the stone, he sees only its whiteness and does not see its hardness, and so what is spoken of are the two items of stone and whiteness. This is “not seeing hardness and obtaining whiteness,” and therefore one says there are two. When the hand touches the stone, one knows only that it is hard and does not know that it is white, and so what is spoken of are the two items of stone and hardness. This is “not seeing whiteness and obtaining hardness,” and therefore one also says there are two.

The question then arises: since one has seen the whiteness of the stone, one cannot say there is no whiteness; since one has felt the hardness of the stone, one cannot say there is no hardness. The stone is originally like this—should it not count as three? Stone, hardness, and whiteness exist together; one cannot say they do not exist. Since hardness and whiteness have already been recognized, how can one say they are not three?

The reply is this: the eye cannot discern the hardness of the stone and sees only its whiteness; at that moment hardness has not been obtained. When the hand touches it, whiteness cannot be felt and only hardness is felt; at that moment whiteness has not been obtained. If this is so, why must one insist that they are three?

曰:视不得其所坚而得其所白者,无坚也。纣不得其所白而得其所坚,得其坚也,无白也。坚非目之所见,故曰无坚,白非手之所知,故曰无白也。 曰天下无白,不可以视石;天下无坚,不可以谓石。坚白石不相外,藏三可乎?白者,色也。寄一色则众色可知,天下无有众色之物,而必因色乃色,故曰天下无石不可以视石也。坚者,质也。寄一质则刚柔等质例皆可知,万物之质不同,而各称其所受,天下未有无质之物,而物必因质乃固,故曰天下无坚不可以谓石也。石者,形也。举石之形则众物之形例皆可知,天下未有无形之物,而物必因形乃聚。然则色、形、质者,相成於一体之中,不离也。故曰坚白石不相外也。而人目之所见,手之所触,但得其二,不能兼三。人自不能兼三,不可谓之白石不相外也。而人目之所见,手之所触,但得其二,不能兼三。人自不能兼三,不可谓之无三,故曰藏三可乎,言不可也。 曰:有自藏也,非藏而藏也。目能见物而不见坚,则坚藏矣。手能知物而不知於白,则白藏矣。此皆不知所然,自然而藏,故曰自藏也。彼皆自藏,非有物藏之,之义非实,触但得其二,实藏也。
Interpretation

Someone said: “The eye cannot see the hardness of a stone; it can see only its whiteness. Therefore there is no such attribute as hardness. King Zhou (the last ruler of the Shang dynasty) could not see the whiteness, yet he could obtain the hardness, so what he obtained was hardness, and he did not obtain whiteness. Hardness is not something the eye can see, and thus one says there is no hardness; whiteness is not something the hand can perceive, and thus one says there is no whiteness.”

Someone else then said: “If the world had no whiteness, one could not see a stone; if the world had no hardness, one could not call a stone a stone. Hardness, whiteness, and the stone—these three cannot be separated from one another. Can all three of them be hidden? Whiteness is a kind of color. Indicate one color, and the classes of the other colors can be known. There is no object in the world that does not bear color; an object must depend on color before color becomes manifest. Hence it is said: there is no colorless stone in the world, and a person is thus unable to see a stone. Hardness is a kind of material quality. Indicate one material quality, and the classes of different qualities, such as the firm and the soft, can be known. The material qualities of the myriad things each differ, and each is named according to the quality it possesses. There is no object in the world that lacks a material quality; an object must have a material quality before it is solid. Hence it is said: there is no stone without hardness in the world, and one thus cannot call a stone a stone. A stone, for its part, is a kind of form. Indicate the form of a stone, and the classes of the forms of other objects can be known. There is nothing formless in the world; an object must have form before it coheres. Seen in this light, color, form, and material quality complete one another within a single object and cannot be separated. Hence it is said that hardness, whiteness, and the stone are not apart from one another.

Yet when a person looks with the eyes and feels with the hands, he can at one time perceive only two of the three, and cannot obtain all three together. That a person himself cannot obtain all three does not mean that the three do not exist. Therefore, to say ‘Can all three be hidden?’ means that they cannot.”

Still another person said: “Some things hide of themselves; it is not that anyone hides them. The eye can see an object, yet cannot see hardness, and so hardness seems as if hidden; the hand can perceive an object, yet cannot perceive whiteness, and so whiteness seems as if hidden. That these attributes are so is not a human arrangement; rather, they naturally appear imperceptible, and so one says that they hide of themselves. Each remains hidden and does not show itself; it is not that some thing conceals them. The ‘hiding’ spoken of here is not the concealment of a physical object. That by touch one can obtain only two of them—this is hiding in the true sense.”

曰:其白也,其坚也,而石必得以相盛盈。其自藏奈何?盈,满也。其白必满於坚白之中,其坚亦满於白石之中,而石亦满於坚白之石必得以相盛盈。其自藏奈何?盈,满也。其白必满於坚白之中,其坚亦满於白石之中,而石亦满於坚白之中,故曰必得以相盈也。二物相盈,必矣。奈何谓之自藏也。 曰:得其白,得其坚,见与不见离#1。不见离,一一不相盈,故离。离也者,藏也。夫物各有名,而名各有实,故得白石者,自有白之实,得坚名者,亦有坚之实也。然视石者,见白之实,不见坚之实。不见坚之实,则坚离於白矣。故曰见与不见谓之离。则知之与不知,亦离矣。於石一也,坚与白二也,此三名有实,则不相盈也。名不相盈,则素离矣。素离而不见,故谓之藏。吕氏春秋曰,公孙龙与乱,孔穿离矣。於石一也,坚与白二也,此三名有实,则不相盈也。名不相盈,则素离矣。素离而不见,故谓之藏。吕氏春秋曰,公孙龙与乱,孔穿对辞於赵平原家,藏三耳,盖以此为篇辩。
Interpretation

Someone asked: A stone is white, and it is also hard. These properties must fill and contain one another within one and the same stone. How, then, could each of them be concealed and fail to appear? “Ying” means filling. Whiteness must fill the stone that is both hard and white; hardness likewise fills the white stone; and the stone itself fills both the hard and the white. Hence it is said that they must fill one another. If the two properties already fill each other, how can one still say that each is concealed on its own?

Gongsun Long replied: When one obtains the property “white” and the property “hard,” what is manifest and what is not manifest are separate. Properties that have not manifested do not contain one another, and so they are said to be separated. “Li” (separation) is “cang” (concealment). Each thing has its name, and each name has its corresponding actual content. To recognize a white stone is to grasp the actual content of “white”; to recognize hardness is likewise to grasp the actual content of “hard.” Yet when one looks at the stone, what one sees is the actual content of white, not the actual content of hard. That hardness is not seen shows that hard and white are separated from each other. Therefore, the manifest and the non-manifest are called “li.” From this it follows that knowing and not-knowing are also separated from each other.

As for the stone, it is one thing, whereas hard and white are two properties. The three names—stone, hard, and white—each have their corresponding actual content, and so they do not contain one another. Since the names do not contain one another, they are separate from the outset; and because this separation is not easily seen, it is called “cang.” The Lüshi chunqiu records that Gongsun Long and Kong Chuan once debated in the household of Lord Pingyuan of Zhao, and that Kong Chuan took this as the topic of his argument.

曰:石之白,石之坚,见与不见,二与三,若广修而相盈也。其非举乎?修,长也。白虽自有实,然是石之白也。坚虽自有实,然是石之坚也。故坚白二物,与石为三。见与不见共为体,其坚白广修,皆与石均而相满,岂非举三名而合於一实。 曰:物白焉,不定其所白;物坚焉,不定其所坚。不定者兼,恶乎甚石也?万物通有白,是不定白於石也。夫坚白岂唯不定於石乎?亦兼不定於万物矣。万物且犹不能定,安能独於与石同体乎? 曰:循石,非彼无石。非石,无所不定白於石也。夫坚白岂唯不定於石乎?亦兼不定於万物矣。万物且犹不能定,安能独於与石同体乎? 曰:循石,非彼无石。非石,无所取乎白石。不相离者,固乎然其无已。宾难主云,因循於石,知万物亦与坚同体,故曰循石也。彼谓坚也,非坚则无石矣。言必赖於坚以成名也。非有於石,则所取於白矣,言必赖於石,然后以见白也。此三物者,相因乃一体,故之曰坚白不相离也。坚白与石,犹不相离,则万物之与坚,固然不相离,其无已矣。
Interpretation

Someone says: “The whiteness of the stone, the hardness of the stone, and the two conditions of being seen and not being seen—taken together, are they two or three? They seem to extend into one another and to fill one another. Is this not to set all three out at once? ‘Xiu’ means length. Although white has the substance of whiteness, this is the white of the stone; although hard has the substance of hardness, this is the hardness of the stone. Thus hardness and whiteness are two things, and with the stone they make three. What can be seen and what cannot be seen together constitute a single whole; the scope and form of hardness and of whiteness are each equal to the stone and fill one another. Is this not to list three names while uniting them in one actual thing?”

Someone objects: “To say that something is white does not fix where it is white; to say that something is hard does not fix where it is hard. Where there is no such fixing, the terms may refer jointly to many things. How, then, can white and hard be assigned only to the stone? Whiteness belongs universally to the myriad things, so ‘white’ cannot be restricted to the white of a stone. And is it merely that hardness and whiteness cannot be confined to the stone? They may also refer jointly to the myriad things. If even the myriad things cannot be restricted to any single object, how can one say that hardness and whiteness alone form one and the same whole with the stone?”

Someone goes on to say: “If one examines the matter by following the stone, then without that aspect of hardness there is no stone; and without the stone there is no way to pick out, in the stone, the object called ‘white stone.’ They cannot be separated from one another. This is how things inherently are, and there is no end to it.” Here the guest is rebutting the host. The host reasons along the line of the stone and holds that the myriad things likewise form one body with hardness, which is why it is said that one must examine the matter “by following the stone.” The “that” of which the host speaks refers to hardness: without hardness, a thing cannot be called a stone—that is, the name “stone” can be established only by relying on “hard.” Without the stone, there is no way to pick out the whiteness of the stone; that is, only by relying on the stone can “white” be made manifest. Hardness, whiteness, and the stone depend on one another before they constitute a single whole, and so it is said that hardness and whiteness cannot be separated. Since hardness, whiteness, and the stone cannot be separated, the myriad things naturally cannot be separated from hardness either, and reasoning of this kind has no end.

曰:於石一也,坚白二也,而在於石,故有知焉,有不知焉;有见焉〔有不见焉〕#2。故知与不知相与离,见与不见相与藏。藏故,孰谓之不离?以手拊石,知坚不知白,故知与不知相与离也。以目视石,见白不见坚,相与离,见与不见相与藏。藏故,孰谓之不离?以手拊石,知坚不知白,故知与不知相与离也。以目视石,见白不见坚,故见与不见相与藏也。藏於目而目不坚,谁谓坚不藏乎?白离於手,不知於白,谁谓白不离乎? 曰:目不能坚,手不能白。不可谓无坚,不可谓无白。其异任也,其无以代也。坚白域於石,恶乎离?目能视,手能操,目之与手,所在各异,故曰其异任也。目有自不能见於坚,不可以手代目之见坚乎?自不能知於白,亦不可以目代手之知白,故曰其无以代也。坚白相城不相离,安得谓之离不相,故曰其异任也。目有自不能见於坚,不可以手代目之见坚乎?自不能知於白,亦不可以目代手之知白,故曰其无以代也。坚白相城不相离,安得谓之离不相离。
Interpretation

Someone said: “There is only one stone, yet ‘hardness’ and ‘whiteness’ are two different attributes, and both are present in the stone. Thus, of them, some a person can know and some cannot know; some can be seen and some cannot be seen. It is clear, then, that knowing and not knowing are separate from each other, and seeing and not seeing conceal one another. Since certain attributes are hidden, who can say that they are not separated? When one feels the stone with the hand, one can know that it is hard, yet does not know that it is white; this shows that knowing and not knowing are distinct. When one looks at the stone with the eyes, one can see that it is white, yet cannot see that it is hard; this shows that seeing and not seeing conceal each other. The attribute lies hidden where the eyes cannot see it, and the eyes likewise cannot perceive hardness—who can say that hardness is not concealed? Whiteness cannot be discovered by the hand’s touch, and the hand does not know whiteness—who can say that whiteness is not separated?”

Someone replied: “That the eyes cannot perceive hardness, and the hand cannot perceive whiteness, does not allow us to say that the stone has no hardness or no whiteness. It is only that the eyes and the hand each have different functions and cannot substitute for one another. Hardness and whiteness both belong to the stone—how can one say that they have been separated? The eyes can see, and the hand can take hold; each undertakes a different task. The eyes cannot discern hardness—can the hand be made to take the place of the eyes and thereby discern hardness? The hand cannot know whiteness—can the eyes be made to take the place of the hand and thereby know whiteness by touch? This shows that the two have different functions and cannot replace each other. Hardness and whiteness coexist in the stone and are not separated from one another—how, then, can one say that they are divided?”

曰:坚未与石为坚,而物兼未与为坚。而坚必坚其不坚。石物而坚,天下未有若坚,而坚藏。坚者,不独坚於石而亦坚於万物,故曰未与石为坚而物兼也,亦不与万物为坚而固当自为坚,故曰未与物为坚而坚必坚也。天下未有若此独立之坚而可见,然亦不可谓之为无坚,故曰而坚藏也。白固不能自白,恶能白石物乎?若白者必白,则不白物而白焉。黄黑与之然。石其无有,恶取坚白石乎?故离也。离也者因是。世无独立之坚乎,亦无孤立之白矣。故日白故不能自白。既不能自白,安能自白於石与物,故曰恶能白物乎。若使白者必能自白,则亦不待白於白故不能自白。既不能自白,安能自白於石与物,故曰恶能白物乎。若使白者必能自白,则亦不待白於物而自白矣。岂坚白乎?黄黑等色亦皆然也。若石与物,必待於色然后可见也。色既不能自为其色,则石亦不能自显其石矣。天下未有无色而可见之物,故日石其无有矣。石既无矣,坚白安所托哉?故曰恶取坚白石。反覆相见,则坚白之与万物,莫不皆离矣。夫离者,岂有物使之离乎?莫不因是天然而自离矣。故曰因是也。力与知果,不若因是。果谓果失也。。夫离者,岂有物使之离乎?莫不因是天然而自离矣。故曰因是也。力与知果,不若因是。果谓果失也。若如也夫,不因天然之自离,而欲运力与知而离於坚白者,果决不得矣。故不如因是天然之自离也。且犹白以目以火见。而火不见,则火与目不见,而神见。神不见,而见离。神谓精神也。人谓目能见物,而目以因火见,是目不能见,由火乃得见也。然火非见白之物,则目与火俱不见矣。然则见矣,然则见者谁乎?精神见矣。夫精神之见物也,必因火以目,乃得见矣。火目犹且不能为见,安能与神而见乎?则神亦不能见矣。推寻见者,竟不得其实,则不知见者谁也。故曰而见离。坚以手,而手以捶;是捶与手知而不知,而神与不知。神乎,是之谓离焉。离也者天下,故独而正。手捶与精神不得其知,则其所知者,弥复不知矣。所知而不知,神其何为哉。夫神者,生生之主故独而正。手捶与精神不得其知,则其所知者,弥复不知矣。所知而不知,神其何为哉。夫神者,生生之主而心之精爽也。然而耳目殊能,百骸异通,千变万化,神斯主焉。而但因耳目之所能,任百骸之自通,不能使耳见而目闻,足操而手步,又於一物之上见白不得坚,知坚不得白,而况六合之广,万物之多乎?故曰神乎,神乎其无知矣。神而不知,而知离也。推此以寻天下,则何物而非离乎?故物物斯离,不相杂也。各各趋变,不相须也。不相须,故不假彼以成此,不相离,故不持此以乱彼。是以圣人,即物而冥,即事而静,即事而静,故天下安存。即物而冥,故物皆得性。物皆得性,则彼我同亲,天下安存。则名实不存也。
Interpretation

He said: “‘Hardness’ does not become hard by joining with stone, nor do the various things become hard by joining with hardness. Yet hardness must be hardness: even if it attaches to nothing else, it is still hard. Stone is a thing possessed of form, and it also has hardness. Nothing in the world is more manifest than hardness, yet hardness itself remains hidden and does not show itself.”

Hardness does not exist only in stone; it also exists among the myriad things, and so it is said not to belong exclusively to stone. But hardness need not rely on the myriad things in order to be hard. It itself possesses the nature of hardness, and so it is said that hardness must be hardness. Nowhere in the world does one see a hardness that has detached from the myriad things and appears all by itself, yet one cannot therefore say that hardness does not exist. Hence hardness is said to be hidden and not manifest.

“Whiteness” itself cannot display white on its own; how, then, could it make stone or other things appear white? If whiteness itself were necessarily able to display white, it would not need to rely on some particular thing in order to appear white. Yellow and black are the same. If stone did not exist, from where could one obtain a stone that is hard and white? Therefore hardness and whiteness are separate.

What is called “separation” is to look by following the original condition of things. In the world there is no independently existing hardness, nor any whiteness existing in isolation. Hence it is said that whiteness cannot display white by itself. Since it cannot display white by itself, how could it make stone or anything else appear white? If whiteness were originally able to display white on its own, it would not need to rely on things in order to appear. Can hardness and whiteness really unite into one? Yellow, black, and the other colors are likewise so.

Stone and the myriad things must rely on color in order to be seen; but color cannot manifest by itself, and so stone cannot appear as stone by itself alone. There is nothing in the world that can be seen without depending on color. Hence it is said that if stone has no color, it has no way to appear. Once stone cannot appear, where do hardness and whiteness lodge? Hence it is said: from where can one still obtain a stone that is hard and white? Examining the matter again and again, one finds that hardness, whiteness, and the myriad things are each separate from one another.

Is this separation something forcibly brought about? It is not. The myriad things merely follow their own original condition and separate of themselves, naturally and spontaneously. This is what is called “following what is so.” Relying on force and clever artifice is in the end inferior to according with this separation as it originally is. Here, “result” means the outcome of finally failing. If one does not accord with the original separation of things, and insists on using force and cleverness to separate hardness from whiteness, one will in the end certainly be unable to do so. Therefore it is better to follow the state in which they are already so.

Furthermore, whiteness depends on the eyes and must also rely on the light of fire in order to be seen. Without the light of fire the eyes cannot see, yet the light of fire itself is not the subject that sees whiteness. Who, then, truly sees? It is the spirit (Shen). Spirit must rely on the eyes and the light of fire in order to see things. If even the eyes and the light of fire cannot accomplish seeing on their own, how could they see on behalf of spirit? Yet if one presses the question to the end and asks who, after all, is looking, it is also hard to find an independent subject. Hence it is said that “seeing,” too, is separate.

To feel hardness with the hand, one must also rely on striking. Neither the hand nor the striking can know hardness independently, and spirit likewise cannot know it by itself. What is called “separation” means precisely that these functions each have something they depend on and do not mingle with one another. The hand and the striking, together with spirit, cannot singly obtain a complete cognition; still less is the object known determined by any one of them alone. Spirit is the master of life, and also the subtle, luminous, and aware part within the mind. Yet the ears and the eyes each have their own functions, and every part of the body has its own capacity of responsive attunement. The countless transformations are all governed by spirit, but spirit can operate only by following the capacities of the ears and eyes and the responsive attunement proper to each part of the body. It cannot make the ears see or the eyes hear, nor make the feet grasp things or the hands walk.

In the same way, with regard to a single thing, one cannot see only its whiteness and at the same time see its hardness, nor know only its hardness and at the same time know its whiteness—how much more so when heaven and earth are vast and the myriad things are many? Hence it is said that spirit seems to preside over everything, yet cannot cognize all things by itself; cognition itself is also separate. Extending this inquiry to all things under heaven, which of them does not stand apart on its own?

The myriad things each have their own proper limits and do not mix with one another; each accords with change and need not depend on the other. Since they do not depend on one another, there is no need to borrow that thing in order to complete this thing; since they do not mingle, one will not take this thing and use it to disturb that thing. Therefore the sage comes into contact with things without being bound by them, and handles affairs while remaining tranquil. When the mind is tranquil, the world is at peace; when one is not bound by things, the myriad things each attain their own nature. When the myriad things each attain their own nature, they can dwell in harmony with one another; the world too finds rest, and the distinction between names and actualities no longer becomes a clinging.

名实论第六 天地与其所产者#3;物也。天地之形,及天地之所生者,皆谓之物也。物以物其所物而不过焉,实也。取材以修廊庙,朝以车服器名实论第六 天地与其所产者#3;物也。天地之形,及天地之所生者,皆谓之物也。物以物其所物而不过焉,实也。取材以修廊庙,朝以车服器械,求贤以实,侍御仆从,中外职国,皆无过差,各当其物,故谓之实也。实以实其所实,不旷焉,位也。实者充实,器用之小大,众万之卑高,器得其材,人堪其职,庶政无阙,尊卑有序,故曰位也。出其所位,非位。离位使官,器用过制,或僭於上,或滥於下,皆非其位。位其所位焉,正也。取材之与制器,花事之与赏刑,有尊卑,神亦异数,合静其信,而不僭滥,故谓正也。 以其所正,正其所不正;疑其所正。以正正於不正,则不正者皆正,以不正乱於正,则众皆疑之。其正者,正其所实也;正其所实滥,故谓正也。 以其所正,正其所不正;疑其所正。以正正於不正,则不正者皆正,以不正乱於正,则众皆疑之。其正者,正其所实也;正其所实者,正其名也。仲尼曰,必也正名乎。故正其实,正矣。其实正,则众正皆正矣。
Interpretation

Heaven and Earth, and all that they generate and nourish, are called "things." The physical forms of Heaven and Earth, and the things brought forth by Heaven and Earth, likewise all belong to "things."

When things are arranged according to the use originally proper to them—exactly right, and not beyond due measure—this is called "actuality." For example, suitable materials are chosen to build the palace halls; chariots and horses, clothing, and vessels are set out at court; persons of worth and ability are selected to fill the offices; attendants and servants are assigned; and posts of every kind, inner and outer, are established, so that nothing is out of place and each finds its proper station. This is called "actuality."

When the content that "actuality" supplies corresponds exactly to the measure it ought to have, and no gap appears, this is called "position." Vessels differ in size, and the myriad things differ in standing, high and low: implements must be made of suitable materials, people must be equal to their duties, the affairs of government must lack nothing, and the order of noble and base must be clear. This is "position."

To leave the place where each ought to stand is called "being out of position." When an official abandons his post to take charge of other affairs, when the specifications of a vessel exceed the regulations, or when one usurps the station of those above or indiscriminately extends to those below, none of these accords with its position.

When each rests at ease in the position proper to it, this is called "rectitude." The choice of materials, the making of vessels, and rewards and punishments all involve graded distinctions of noble and base; the ranks of sacrifice to the spirits and deities likewise differ. To make these arrangements conform to regulation and harmonize with one another, neither overstepping rank nor going to excess, is called "rectitude."

To correct, by an already established standard of correctness, matters that do not accord with the correct Way (Dao) will, on the contrary, cause people to doubt that standard. If what is incorrect is corrected by means of the proper Way, what was originally incorrect can be set right; if the correct Way is disturbed by a way that is not correct, then everyone will fall into doubt. What is called "rectitude" is making things accord with their actuality; because it corrects deviations within actuality, it is called "rectitude."

To correct what is incorrect by a correct standard is also to rectify the names of things. Confucius said, "One must first rectify names." Thus, to rectify the actuality of things is itself to set them right; when actuality is set right, everything connected with it can be set right as well.

其名正,则唯乎其彼此焉。唯,应辞也。正其名者,谓施名当於彼此之实,故即名求实,而后彼此皆应其名。谓彼而彼不唯乎彼,则彼谓不行。谓者,教命也。发号施命而召於彼,而彼不应者,分不当於彼,故教命不得行也。谓此而行不唯乎此,则此谓不行。施命不当於此,故此命不得行。其以当不当也,不当而乱也。教命不当而自以为当者,弥不当也。故当日其以当不当也。以其命之不当,故群物不应,势其命矣。以不当也。忿物之不应命,而势位以威之,则天下皆以不以其命之不当,故群物不应,势其命矣。以不当也。忿物之不应命,而势位以威之,则天下皆以不当为当,所以又乱之矣。
Interpretation

When names are used appropriately, things respond in accordance with the actual circumstances of “that” (bi) and “this” (ci). “Wei” (唯) means to answer in assent. To use a name correctly is to make it fit the actual object that is “that” or “this”; in this way, when one seeks the actual object by means of the name, each corresponds to its own name.

If something is called “that” and yet does not answer to that calling, the designation cannot be established. Here “wei” (谓) also carries the sense of instruction and command. When an order is issued to summon something and it does not respond, this shows that the order has not been directed at a suitable object, and so the command cannot be carried out. If something is called “this” and does not answer to “this,” the designation likewise cannot stand; this shows that the command has not been applied properly, and therefore cannot be executed.

What matters is whether the command is appropriate. An inappropriate command produces disorder; if a command is plainly inappropriate and yet one takes it to be appropriate, the error only grows greater. Hence, whether something is appropriate is judged by whether it accords with what is actual. When a command is unsuitable, the myriad things naturally do not respond; this shows precisely that the fault lies in the command itself.

If, angered that the myriad things do not respond to the command, one then relies on power and authority to coerce them, people throughout the world will come to treat inappropriate commands as appropriate ones, and the situation will only grow more disordered.

故彼,彼当乎彼,则唯乎彼,其谓行彼。此,此当乎此,则唯乎此,其谓行此。其以当而当也,以当而当,正也。施命於彼此,而当彼此之名实,故皆应而命行,若夫以当,则天下自正。故彼,故#4彼止於彼;此,此止於此,可。彼名止於彼实,而此名止於此实,彼此名实不相滥,故日可。彼此而彼且此,此彼而此且彼,不可。或以彼名滥於此实,而谓彼且与此相类。或以此名滥於彼实,而谓此且与彼相同,故皆不可。夫名实谓也。知此之非也,知此之不在此也,明不谓也。知彼之非彼也,知彼之不在彼也,则不谓也。夫名所以命实也,故众之不在此也,明不谓也。知彼之非彼也,知彼之不在彼也,则不谓也。夫名所以命实也,故众政之与,实贲刑名,当其实,乃善也。假令知此之大功,非此人之功也。知此之小功,不足在此之可赏也,则皆不命赏矣。假令知彼之大罪,非彼人之罪也,知彼之小罪,不足在彼之可罚也,则皆不命罚矣。至矣哉,古之明王,审其名实,慎其所谓。至矣哉,古之明王。公孙龙之作论也,假物为辩,以数王道之至大者也。夫王道之所谓大者,莫大於正名实也。仲尼曰,唯名与器,不可以假人。然则名号器实,圣人之所重慎之者也。名者,名於事物以施教者也。实者,实於事物以成教者也。失名,非物也。而物无名,则无以自通矣。物非名也,而名无物,则无以自明矣。是以名因实而立,实由名以通,故名当於实,则名教大行,实功大举,王道所以配天矣。物非名也,而名无物,则无以自明矣。是以名因实而立,实由名以通,故名当於实,则名教大行,实功大举,王道所以配天而大者也。是以古之明王,审其名实而慎其施行者也。
Interpretation

“That” is that thing. When it is called “that,” the name ought to correspond to the thing itself; only designating it according to this correspondence is called “enacting ‘that.’” “This” is this thing. When it is called “this,” the name likewise ought to correspond to the thing itself; only then is this called “enacting ‘this.’” When names and things match, and matching is taken as the standard, this is what is proper. When commands are carried out between “that” and “this,” so that the names used in the commands accord with the proper designations and actualities of each, all parties will respond and the commands can be put into effect. If the correspondence of name and actuality is taken as the standard, all under Heaven will naturally return to what is proper.

“That” ought to stop at that, and “this” ought to stop at this; only then is it acceptable. The name of that corresponds only to the actuality of that, and the name of this corresponds only to the actuality of this. The names and actualities of that and this are not confused with one another, and so this is acceptable. If one speaks of that as both that and this, or of this as both this and that, it is not acceptable. Some mistakenly apply the name “that” to the actuality of “this” and still say that that and this are similar; others mistakenly apply the name “this” to the actuality of “that” and still say that this and that are the same. None of this is acceptable.

Names and actualities are precisely what are used to refer to one another. If one knows that something is not this thing, or knows that it does not belong to “this,” one understands that it ought not to be called “this.” If one knows that that is not that, or knows that it does not belong to “that,” one ought not to call it “that.” A name is used to designate an actuality. Therefore, if people do not fall within the scope of “this,” they cannot be classed together and called “this.” If one knows that someone is not that, or does not belong to that, one likewise ought not to call him that.

A name is used to designate an actuality, so in governing affairs the designations involved in punishments, rewards, and the like ought to correspond to the facts; only then is this appropriate. If one knows that a great merit was not achieved by a certain person, and also knows that a minor merit is insufficient for him to receive a reward, then in neither case should the title of a reward be granted to him. If one knows that a great crime was not committed by a certain person, and also knows that a minor offense is insufficient to subject him to punishment, then in neither case should punishment be imposed on him. The worthy and enlightened rulers of antiquity carefully verified names against actualities and were cautious about their own words; they truly carried this to the utmost.

Gongsun Long wrote books and established doctrines, developing arguments through concrete things in order to explain the most fundamental and most important principles of the kingly Dao (the Way). Of all that the kingly Dao regards as weighty, nothing is more important than rectifying the relationship between names and actualities. Confucius said, “Titles and ritual vessels must not be casually granted to others.” From this it is clear that both titles and the actual uses of vessels were matters the sages treated with care. A name is used to designate things and to carry out moral transformation; actuality is the thing itself, and it also allows moral transformation to be realized. If names are lost, things cannot be properly designated; if things have no names, they cannot clearly express themselves either. Names are established on the basis of actualities, and actualities are known through names. Therefore, when names correspond to actualities, moral transformation can be widely carried out and practical efficacy can be fully realized. This is precisely why the kingly Dao can match the Dao of Heaven and thereby be made grand. For this reason, the worthy and enlightened rulers of antiquity carefully verified names against actualities and were cautious in carrying out their administrative orders.

公孙龙子卷下竟 #1『离』原作『与』,据王管本改。 #2『有不见焉』四字据王管本补。 #3『者』原作『焉』,据王管改。 #4王管本无『故』
Interpretation

Here ends the second volume of the Gongsun Longzi.

Collation notes: in the first instance, the original text reads “与,” which is emended to “离” on the basis of the Wang Guan edition; in the second instance, the four characters “有不见焉” are supplied from the Wang Guan edition; in the third instance, the original text reads “焉,” which is emended to “者” on the basis of the Wang Guan edition; in the fourth instance, the Wang Guan edition does not contain the character “故.”

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