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About this page. The original text of 《庄子口义》 Vol. 8 (Zangwai Daoshu 藏外道書, 10 volumes) is shown in Classical Chinese as transmitted in the Godners/DaoZang edition. An English interpretation of the 57 passages on this page accompanies it: select a passage or press “Interpretation” to show it. All texts in English

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见之恂然弃而走逃于深蓁有一狙焉委蛇攫见巧乎主王射之敏给搏捷矢王命相者趋射之狙执死顾谓其友颜不疑曰之狙也伐其巧恃其便以敖予以至此殛也戒之哉嗟乎无以汝色骄人哉颜不疑归而师董梧以锄其色去乐辞显三年而国人称之 委蛇攫【一作搔】跳跃来去攀执树枝之意敏给射之矢去速也狙能搏接其矢亦甚捷速相者王左右也众而国人称之 委蛇攫【一作搔】跳跃来去攀执树枝之意敏给射之矢去速也狙能搏接其矢亦甚捷速相者王左右也众人齐射之狙虽巧捷力不敌而死矣死而见执故曰执死锄其色者去其骄矜之色也去乐甘于自苦也辞显退而就辱也此为矜能掇祸者之谕 南伯子綦几而坐仰天而嘘颜成子入见曰夫子物之尤也形固可使若槁骸心固可使若死灰乎曰吾尝居山宂之口矣当是时也田禾一睹我而齐国之众三贺之我必先之彼故知之我必卖之彼故鬻之若我而不有之彼恶得而知之若我而不卖之彼恶得而鬻之嗟乎我悲人之自丧者吾又悲夫悲人之悲者其后之我必卖之彼故鬻之若我而不有之彼恶得而知之若我而不卖之彼恶得而鬻之嗟乎我悲人之自丧者吾又悲夫悲人之悲者其后而日远矣
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Plain-Language Commentary


I. The Monkey and Yan Bu Yi

There was a monkey that, whenever it saw people, would panic, drop whatever it was holding, and flee into thick undergrowth. It would twist and leap among the branches, grab and swing, showing off its agility before the king.

The king shot an arrow at it; the arrow flew fast, yet the monkey could catch and deflect it with equal speed. The king ordered his attendants to shoot together. Clever as the monkey was, it could not withstand a volley; struck by the arrows, it died and was taken captive. Dying, it turned to its companion Yan Bu Yi and said: This monkey (whether speaking of its kind or of itself) relied on dexterity and swaggered before us with its tricks—that is how it ended up like this. Take warning! Do not use your talents and your bearing to look down on others.

Yan Bu Yi went home, took Dong Wu as his teacher, and used the method of “hoeing the complexion” to work on his expression—stripping away the pride that comes from ability. Qu le (giving up pleasure) meant willingly accepting hardship and not chasing enjoyment. Ci xian (declining prominence) meant refusing rank and staying in a lowly place. After three years, people throughout the state praised him.

Weiyi jue nie (in some readings sao): describes twisting, leaping, grabbing, and swinging on the branches. Min ge: the arrow flies swiftly; the monkey catches it just as swiftly. Xiang zhe: attendants at the king’s side. When all shoot together, the monkey cannot resist and dies—hence zhi si (captured dead). Chu qi se: removing a haughty look. The episode warns that flaunting ability invites disaster.


II. Nan Bo Zi Qi and Yan Cheng Zi

Nan Bo Zi Qi sat leaning on a low table, sighing toward the sky. Yan Cheng Zi came in and said: Master, you truly stand out among living things—how can your body wither like dry wood and your mind sink still like dead ashes?

Nan Bo Zi Qi said: I once lived at the mouth of a mountain cave. Whenever Tian He saw me, the people of Qi congratulated him three times. If I had not gone first, how would he have “known” me? If I had not offered myself up, how would he have “sold” me (pushed me, traded on me)? If someone were like me yet did not “possess” that fame of being known and marketed, how could others know? If someone were like me yet did not “sell” himself, how could others peddle him?

Alas, I pity those who lose their own nature; I also pity those who pity others’ loss—such people are even farther from the Dao. After that there is still the scheming: “I must go first; I must sell myself.” If I do not possess and do not sell, how could they know or peddle? The same lament repeats: grieving that people lose themselves, then grieving those who grieve others’ loss—push that chain further and you are ri yuan (farther from the Way day by day).


(The above is a plain-language rendering of the given Zhuangzi Kouyi passages; proper names and commentarial terms follow the source, with brief clarification where needed.)

物之尤也言人物之中为最大也田禾齐君也国人以其见贤者故贺之我在当时不能自晦其迹故有此名曰先曰卖言我必有形迹可见故彼得而知我也以形迹自见者乃自丧者也能悲人之自丧而不能自觉其身则其悲人者又可悲也山宂之口地名也我在当时惟以悲人之悲而自觉所以其后道日加进遂至今日形若槁骸而心若死灰也故曰其后日远矣远者道愈高远也 仲尼之楚楚王觞之孙叔敖执爵而立市南宜僚受酒而祭曰古之人乎于此言已曰丘也闻不言之言矣未之尝言于此乎言之市南宜僚弄丸而两家之难解孙叔敖甘寝秉羽而郢人投兵丘愿有喙三尺彼之谓不道之道此之谓不言之辩故德总乎道之所一而言休乎知之所不知至矣道之所一也德不能同也知之所不能知者辩愿有喙三尺彼之谓不道之道此之谓不言之辩故德总乎道之所一而言休乎知之所不知至矣道之所一也德不能同也知之所不能知者辩不能举也名若儒墨而凶矣故海不辞东流大之至也圣人并包天地泽及天下而不知其谁氏是故生无爵死无谥实不聚名不立此之谓大人狗不以善吠为良人不以善言为贤而况为大乎夫为大不足以为大而况为德乎夫大备矣莫若天地然奚求焉而大备矣知大备者无求无失无弃不以物易已也反已而不穷循古而不摩大人之诚
Interpretation

“Among all things, humans stand out most—our stature and presence are greatest.”

Tian He was the ruler of Qi. His people congratulated him because he could recognize worthy persons. I (whether Yan Hui or a figure in Zhuangzi’s account) could not hide my conduct at that time, which is why there is talk of being “first.” “First, they said I was for sale” means: I must have had visible traces, so others could know me from them. Letting others see you through such traces is really a loss of self. To grieve another’s self-loss yet fail to notice one’s own is itself something to grieve over.

Shanxue zhi kou is a place name. I then turned from grieving for others back upon myself, so the Way grew daily until today my body looks like a withered corpse and my mind like dead ashes. Hence “after that, each day grew more distant”—distant means the Way rose ever higher and farther.


When Confucius went to Chu, the king of Chu held a feast. Sun Shuao stood holding the wine cup; Shinan Yiliao took the wine and offered the ritual toast, saying: “Is this someone from antiquity?” After that he added: I, Kong Qiu, have heard buyan zhi yan (speech that conveys without ordinary words), yet I have never spoken it here in ordinary language. Even so, Shinan Yiliao juggled pellets and ended a feud between two houses; Sun Shuao lay at ease with a feather fan in hand and made the people of Ying lay down their arms. I, Kong Qiu, wish I had a three-foot beak (too much talk)—what that refers to is budao zhi dao (the Way that does not teach through speech); what this refers to is buyan zhi bian (disputation that wins without arguing).

Therefore De (Virtue/Power) should be gathered under where Dao (the Way) unifies; speech should stop where knowing cannot know—there is the limit. Where Dao unifies, De cannot fully match it; what knowing cannot know, disputation cannot lift out and exhaust in words. Reputation that contends like Ru and Mo is perilous.

Thus the sea does not reject east-flowing waters—this is the utmost of “greatness.” The sage embraces heaven and earth and extends grace to all under heaven, yet does not feel bound to any one school or surname. So in life there is no rank, in death no posthumous title; real virtue does not cluster in names, and names are not established because of it—this is called a daren (Great Person).

A dog is not a good dog because it barks well; a person is not worthy because they speak well—how much less greatness? Merely being “great” is not enough to be truly great, how much less De? Greatness is already complete; nothing is more complete than heaven and earth—what more could one seek? Heaven and earth are already “fully great.” Who knows this full greatness seeks nothing, loses nothing, abandons nothing, and does not alter themselves for external things. Returning to oneself without end, holding to the ancient Way without wear—this is the daren’s sincerity.

古之人乎于此言已意谓求焉而大备矣知大备者无求无失无弃不以物易已也反已而不穷循古而不摩大人之诚 古之人乎于此言已意谓饮酒之时可以剧谈虽古人亦然也夫子答曰我有不言之言未尝与人言今于此言之弄丸戏事也秉羽扇而甘寝无作为之意也汝二人皆能为无为之为又何待我喙三尺者言无如此之长喙也宜僚叔敖之事与史家所载殊异亦寓言而已道之所一自然者也德者得之在己者也在造物之一者与人为者不同故曰德不能同看此德字与本书他处得又自不同名若儒墨便非不言之辩矣故曰凶不知其谁氏民无得而名也实不聚者言已虽有善而不以归之一身也贤者且不以多言为能况大人乎有大之名则不足以为大而况自然之德曰凶不知其谁氏民无得而名也实不聚者言已虽有善而不以归之一身也贤者且不以多言为能况大人乎有大之名则不足以为大而况自然之德又可名乎大备大成也唯其无求所以无失无弃不以物易己者己贵于物也循古者顺古道而行也不摩不容力也
Interpretation

What the ancients meant by such words: When the ancients spoke in this vein, they meant that once one has truly “sought” and found, one becomes “greatly complete” (da bei—fully sufficient, nothing lacking). Those who know this great completeness do not grasp, do not lose, and do not cast away; they do not trade their own true heart for external things. They turn back into themselves without being exhausted, and follow the ancient Way without forcing—this is the sincerity of the “great person” (daren), one who has truly attained.

The passage on drinking and lively talk: Here the ancients mean that when drinking, one may speak freely at length—and the ancients did the same. The Master (the figure in Zhuangzi’s dialogue) replies: I have a “wordless saying” (buyan zhi yan) that I have never spoken to anyone; now I say it here. He then uses “juggling pellets” (nong wan) and “holding a feather fan and sleeping contentedly” (bing yushan er ganqin) as images of the meaning of non-action (wuwei). He says you two can both perform the “doing of non-doing” (wuwei zhi wei); why need me? “A three-foot beak” (san chi zhi hui): hui is a bird’s bill; the image is that one has no bill that long—meaning there is no need for long-winded speech.

Yiliao and Shu’ao: Unlike what appears in historical records, these too are parables. The Dao is One (yi)—unity, the natural order; De (Virtue/Power) is what one realizes in one’s own person. One who merges with the Creator is not the same as one who acts artificially, so De cannot be equated in that way. If you fix “names” into the Confucian (ru) and Mohist (mo) schemes, that is no longer “wordless disputation” (buyan zhi bian). Hence it is called “inauspicious” (xiong)—if one does not know whose lineage it is, the common people cannot give him a name. “Merit does not gather” (shi bu ju): though there are good deeds, one does not pile up credit on oneself alone; even the worthy do not take much talking as their ability—how much more the great person? Once there is the name “great,” it is already not truly great; how much less can natural De be captured by a name?

Great completeness and great fulfillment (da bei, da cheng): precisely because there is no seeking, there is no losing and no abandoning. Not exchanging oneself for things (bu yi wu yi ji): one’s own person is more precious than external things. Following the ancient (xun gu): going along the old Way. Not forcing (bu mo): not straining or rubbing against things by effort.

子綦有八子陈诸前召九方歅【音因】曰为我相吾子孰为祥九方歅曰捆也为祥子綦瞿然喜曰奚若曰捆也将与国君同食以终其身子綦索然出涕曰吾子何为以至于是极也九方歅曰夫与国君同食泽及三族而况父母乎今夫子闻之而泣是御福也子则祥矣父则不祥子綦曰歅汝何夫与国君同食泽及三族而况父母乎今夫子闻之而泣是御福也子则祥矣父则不祥子綦曰歅汝何足以识之而捆祥邪尽于酒肉入于鼻口矣而何足以知其所自来吾未尝为牧而牂生于奥未尝好田而鹑生于宎若勿怪何邪吾所与吾子游者游于天地吾与之邀乐于天吾与之邀食于地吾不与之为事不与之为谋不与之为怪吾与之乘天地之诚而不以物与之相撄吾与之一委蛇而不与之为事所宜今也然有世俗之偿焉凡有怪征者必有怪行殆乎非我与吾子之罪几天与之也吾是以泣也无几何而使捆之于燕盗得之于道全而鬻之则难不若刖之则易于是乎刖而鬻之于齐适当渠公之泣也无几何而使捆之于燕盗得之于道全而鬻之则难不若刖之则易于是乎刖而鬻之于齐适当渠公之街终身食肉而终
Interpretation

Ziqi had eight sons. He had them line up in front and invited the physiognomist Jiufang Gaun, saying, “Look them over and tell me which son has an auspicious sign.” Jiufang Gaun said, “Kun has the sign.” Ziqi was suddenly delighted and asked, “What kind of auspicious sign is it?” Jiufang Gaun said, “Kun will one day share meals at the same table as the state lord, and will do so until old age.”

Ziqi’s face suddenly changed; tears flowed as he said, “How could a son end up at such an ‘extreme’?” Jiufang Gaun said, “To share the ruler’s stipend, with favor extending to three generations of kin—how much more so for his parents! Yet you weep on hearing this—you are turning fortune away from your door. The son is auspicious, but the father becomes inauspicious.”

Ziqi said, “Gaun, on what basis do you declare Kun auspicious? If you take ‘auspicious’ to mean nothing but wine and meat stuffing mouth and nose, how can you know where blessing and disaster come from? I never kept sheep, yet a ram appeared in a corner of the house; I never went hunting, yet a quail showed up on the kitchen beam—if you do not treat that as uncanny, what would you call it? What I ‘wander’ with my son in is wandering in Heaven and Earth: with him I invite joy in the heavens and invite sustenance on earth; I do not with him scurry through worldly affairs, plot profit and loss, or hunt the strange and grotesque. I let him live according to the genuine disposition of Heaven and Earth, without using external things to stir him up; I let him follow things as they bend and settle where they may, without letting vulgar business lead him by the nose. Yet now there is this worldly, retributive sort of ‘auspicious sign’—wherever there is an uncanny omen, behind it there is uncanny conduct. I fear this is not the fault of my son and me, but Heaven arranging it thus—so I weep.”

Before long, Kun was sent on a mission to the state of Yan. On the road he was seized by bandits. The bandits thought selling a whole person was troublesome; cutting off the feet and selling him would be easier, so they amputated his feet and sold him in the state of Qi—right at the gate of Lord Qu, a minister of Qi. Kun lived out his life eating meat until he died.

Note (to help when reading the original): Here “auspicious sign” carries two layers: in the physiognomist’s eyes it is a mark of wealth and honor; in Ziqi’s Zhuangzi-style view, living on the ruler’s support—or, after amputation, serving as a retainer at a great man’s gate—often means fate twisted by external things, so he treats “auspicious” as a dangerous omen and weeps. The episode belongs to the thematic family of “Xu Wugui” in the Zhuangzi; the vernacular account retells the story and draws out its meaning.

酒肉入于鼻口而未知其何所自来言何自以得也牂牝羊也奥西南隅也宎室之东北隅也未尝牧未尝田而此物忽生于室中异事也此意盖喻我与吾子无求于世安得有此邀乐于天者顺天以自乐也邀食于地者随世自养而无他求也事世事也谋私谋也世事私谋则于自然之道为怪异我未尝与吾子为之言无心于世也故曰不与之为事不与之为谋不与之为怪一委蛇者一循乎自然也不求应乎事亦不知事之宜不宜故曰不与之为事所宜偿还债也我方乐于无为而彼之相与国君同食则是其分剂之中有此世俗之债未偿也如此之相怪证也我子不应得之将来必有乖异之事故曰怪行渠公之街临街之门也为阍者也此一段又言人世有出于意外之事者亦其子不应得之将来必有乖异之事故曰怪行渠公之街临街之门也为阍者也此一段又言人世有出于意外之事者亦其命也 啮缺遇许由曰子将奚之曰将逃尧曰奚谓邪曰夫尧畜畜然仁吾恐其为天下笑后世其人与人相食与夫民不难聚也爱之则亲利之则至誉之则劝致其所恶则散爱利出乎仁义捐仁义者寡利仁义者众夫仁义之行唯且无诚且假夫禽贪者器是以一人之断制利天下譬之犹一覕【薄结反】也夫尧知贤人之利天下也而不知其贼天下也夫惟外乎贤者知之矣
Interpretation

This passage explains a stretch of meaning in the Zhuangzi, roughly as follows.

Wine and meat enter through mouth and nose, yet one does not know where they come from—on what basis can one say one has truly “obtained” them? “Zang” and “pin” refer to a ram and a ewe; “ao” is the southwest corner of a house, and “jiao” the northeast corner indoors. Without ever herding or farming, such things suddenly appear inside the dwelling—an uncanny occurrence. The point is metaphorical: my son and I do not seek anything from the world; how could such enjoyments arise out of nowhere? Those who invite joy from Heaven find delight by aligning with Heaven; those who invite sustenance from Earth nourish themselves as the age allows, with no further demands. “Affairs” (shi) mean worldly business; “scheming” (mou) means private plotting. When worldly business and private scheming are mixed together, that looks bizarre from the standpoint of the way of nature. I did not deliberately discuss these matters with my son; we were simply without worldly intent. Hence the text says: do not join him in managing worldly affairs, do not join him in pursuing private gain, do not join him in producing strangeness—everything follows along in yielding compliance (wei she), merely moving with what is natural. Not seeking to respond to events, and not knowing what worldly affairs ought or ought not to be done, the text again says: do not join him in managing worldly affairs.

“One must repay what is owed”: I am happily practicing wuwei (non-action), yet the other party comes to share the ruler’s provisions with me—like still owing a debt of worldly obligation within one’s allotted lot. Such mutual strangeness is itself an omen: my son was never meant to receive these things; something contrary will happen later, which is why it is called “strange.”

“Walking Hangqu Gong’s street, at the gate facing the lane, stands the doorkeeper”—this section adds that unexpected things often occur in human life, likewise because of allotted fate.

Nie Que met Xu You and asked: Where are you going? Xu You said: I am fleeing Yao. Nie Que asked: Why? Xu You said: Yao’s xuxu brand of benevolent zeal—I fear he will be mocked by the world, and later generations may end up eating one another. Gathering people is not hard: love them and they draw near; benefit them and they come; praise them and they strive. Once you impose what they hate, they scatter. Love and profit often travel under the banner of ren (humaneness) and yi (righteousness); few discard ren and yi, while many use them for gain. The practice of ren and yi often lacks sincerity and is full of pretense. Like beasts greedy for bait, one must set traps and snares. Using one man’s arbitrary rule to “benefit the world” is like trying to net the whole world with a mie—a thin, small mesh. Yao knows only that the worthy “benefit the world,” and does not see that they can also “harm the world.” Only someone “outside the category of the worthy”—who transcends the name “worthy” and does not cling to being worthy—can grasp this.

爱之则亲利之则至誉之则劝致其所恶则散知此四者也夫尧知贤人之利天下也而不知其贼天下也夫惟外乎贤者知之矣 爱之则亲利之则至誉之则劝致其所恶则散知此四者则可以聚其民也致其所恶非其所欲也致所恶则民不归也顺其好恶求以得民皆容心者也仁义之行施之于外有为之为故曰无诚贪如禽兽者或假此仁义之名以为用故曰假夫禽贪者器覕割也一覕者犹言一截截断也有心于断制以此而利天下则其纯朴自然之质皆一截截断矣外乎贤者出乎贤者之上也必出乎贤者之上而后知有心于利天下者反以贼天下也 有暖姝者有濡需者有卷娄者所谓暖姝者学一先生之言则暖暖姝姝而私自悦也自以为足矣而未知未始有物也是以谓暖姝者也濡需者豕虱是也择疏鬣自以为广宫大囿奎蹄曲隈乳间股脚自以为安室利处不知屠者之一旦鼔臂布草操烟火而已与豕俱焦也此以域进此以域退此其所者豕虱是也择疏鬣自以为广宫大囿奎蹄曲隈乳间股脚自以为安室利处不知屠者之一旦鼔臂布草操烟火而已与豕俱焦也此以域进此以域退此其所谓濡需者也卷娄者舜也羊肉不慕蚁蚁慕羊肉羊肉膻也舜有膻行百姓悦之故三徙成都至邓之墟而十有万家尧闻舜之贤举之童土之地曰冀得其来之泽舜举乎童土之地年齿长矣聪明衰矣而不得休归所谓卷娄者也
Interpretation

Main idea of the preceding passage

When you stay close, people attach to you; when you offer profit, they come; when you praise them, they exert themselves; when you drive them toward what they hate, they scatter. Whoever grasps these four points can gather the people. What is meant by “driving them toward what they hate” is not what the people truly want. If you forcibly push them into what they detest, they will not stay with you. Seeking popular approval by following their likes and dislikes is, at bottom, serving private interest. If benevolence and righteousness are treated as deliberate, outward “doing something” for others, one may say they lack full sincerity. People greedy like beasts sometimes even borrow the names of benevolence and righteousness—hence they are called “sham.” Beast-like greed is like being cut slice by slice. Once someone sets out to “benefit the world” by methods of cutting and controlling, the people’s original simple, natural nature is also cut slice by slice. “Beyond the perspective of the worthy” means viewing from a level above the idea of “worthiness.” Only from higher than “worthiness” can one see that those worthies who mean to “benefit the world” are in fact harming the world.

Commentary on Nuanshu, Ruxu, and Juanlou

There is a type called “Nuanshu”: having learned a few phrases from one teacher, they are pleased with themselves and think they have enough, never knowing there is a realm of “what has never yet existed as a thing”—this is Nuanshu.

“Ruxu” is like lice on a pig: they pick the sparse places among the bristles and imagine they live in a great palace and park; or they cram into the bends of the hooves, beside the teats, or in the groin, and think they have a safe, advantageous home—unaware that the butcher will one day roll up his sleeves, spread straw, and kindle a fire to roast pig and lice together. Getting by on “this patch of ground” going forward and “that patch of ground” going back—such people are Ruxu. (The text repeats the point once; the meaning is the same.)

“Juanlou” takes Shun as the example: mutton does not chase ants, but ants flock to mutton because mutton has a rank smell. Shun had a similar “rank conduct” that the people liked, so when he moved three times, each stop became a settlement; at the ruins of Deng there were already a hundred thousand households. Yao heard that Shun was worthy and raised him from Tongtu (barren land), saying he hoped even the marshes there could be put in order. Shun was employed while still in Tongtu; he was already old and his keenness had faded, yet he still could not rest and return home—this is Juanlou.

暖姝浅见自喜之意此以讥刺好学者未知未始有物者言不知无物之妙也濡需濡滞而有所需待贪着势利之人也疏鬣豕之毛也曲隈蹄之曲处也股脚腰下腹边与足相近之处此即乞儿向火倚氷山之意言所恃者不足恃也域者囿其心于富贵之间而不自知也故曰以域进以域退卷娄伛娄而自苦之貌边与足相近之处此即乞儿向火倚氷山之意言所恃者不足恃也域者囿其心于富贵之间而不自知也故曰以域进以域退卷娄伛娄而自苦之貌其意盖言修德之人自以为名而人皆归之反为所苦终身劳役不能自已借此以讥侮帝王也童土犹童山也谓其始之所居在于不毛之地 是以神人恶众至众至则不比不比则不利也故无所甚亲无所甚踈抱德炀和以顺天下此谓真人于蚁弃知于鱼得计于羊弃意以目视目以耳听耳以心复心若然者其平也绳其变也循古之真人以天待之不以人入天古之真人得之也生失之也死得之也死失之也生 众至者众人之所归也不比不和也不利自害之不以人入天古之真人得之也生失之也死得之也死失之也生
Interpretation

First Section

“Nuan shu” describes shallow insight and little learning coupled with smug self-satisfaction; it satirizes those who love learning yet still fail to grasp the subtlety of “there has never yet been any thing.” “Ru xu” suggests being mired and dependent—people who cling to rank, power, and profit. “Shu lie” is the bristly mane of a pig; “qu wei” is the crooked nook by the hoof; “gu” refers to the hip and thigh near the legs and feet—like a beggar warming himself by a fire or leaning on an iceberg, what they rely on cannot truly hold them up. “Yu” (domain) means the heart is shut inside the circle of wealth and status without knowing it, hence “advancing within that domain, retreating within that domain.” “Juan lou” is a stooped, self-tormenting posture. The general sense is: someone who cultivates De (Virtue/Power) takes himself to have a name and draws the crowd to follow, yet suffers for it—toiling all his life without freedom—thereby satirizing and slighting the ruler. “Tong tu” is the same as “tong shan”: at first the place one dwells in is barren, unfertile land.

Second Section

“Zhong zhi” means the many come to attach themselves; “bu bi” means not in harmony; “bu li” means it turns and harms oneself. Therefore one need not be excessively close to anyone, nor excessively distant; hold to De and keep warmth and harmony (yang he), and in that way accord with the world—this is called the “True Person.” Toward ants one need not deploy clever tricks; toward fish that is what fits; toward sheep one sets aside fixed prejudices. Use the eyes to see what eyes should see, the ears to hear what ears should hear, and the heart to respond to the original heart. Then what is level and straight is like a plumb line; what changes follows nature itself. The True Persons of old met things with Heaven (tian), and did not let human affairs intrude upon the Way of Heaven. The True Persons of old: what was gained in life was also lost in life; what was gained in death was also lost in death—life and death are one continuum, without clinging to a single pole.

众至者众人之所归也不比不和也不利自害也抱德炀和养其德而不露也炀者内自温暖之意蚁至微之物也而犹未尽能无知羊至愚者也而犹未尽能无意唯真人则无知矣无意矣故曰于蚁弃知于羊弃意鱼之在水悠悠自得真人之自为计但如鱼然盖以水喻造物以鱼喻其身也蚁之与羊其所食者犹在外未能无求故不若鱼也真人之心与其耳目皆与人同但无心以用之故曰以目视目以耳听耳以心复心绳之平自然之平也变而循之顺其动也不以有心而预其自然之理故曰不以人入天其生若得若失其死也亦若得若失不以死生为得失听其如何生而曰得亦可死而曰得亦可死而曰失亦可生而曰失亦可 药也其实堇也桔梗也鸡壅也豕零也是时为帝者也何可胜言 堇川乌也死而曰失亦可生而曰失亦可 药也其实堇也桔梗也鸡壅也豕零也是时为帝者也何可胜言 堇川乌也鸡壅鸡头也豕零木猪苓医者制药随其所用各有所主主者为帝其他为臣谓之药者其实皆同随其所用而有轻重亦犹人之在世得时而用则为贵不得时而用则为贱其在我者初无贵贱也此数句奇文 勾践也以甲楯三千栖于防稽唯种也能知亡之所以存唯种也不知其身之所以愁故曰鸱目有所适鹤胫有所节解之也悲
Interpretation

When people gather, they become what others turn toward; yet if they neither attach to one another nor live in harmony, each will harm themselves. Hold to virtue and nourish the inner warmth and smoothness of qi to cultivate de, without displaying that virtue outwardly. “Yang” here means the heart warming and nourishing itself from within.

Ants are among the smallest creatures, and even they cannot achieve complete “no-knowing”; sheep are among the dullest animals, and even they cannot achieve complete “no-intention.” Only the perfected person (zhenren) can be both without knowing and without intention. Hence it is said: learn “discarding knowledge” from the ant, and learn “discarding intention” from the sheep.

Fish in water rest at ease. When the perfected person plans for themselves, it is like the fish—here water stands for the creative source, and the fish for one’s own body. Ants and sheep still seek food outside themselves and cannot be without seeking, so they fall short of the fish. The heart, eyes, and ears of the perfected person are the same in bodily form as those of ordinary people; they simply do not employ them with deliberate intent. Hence: use the eyes for what eyes should see, the ears for what ears should hear, and let the heart answer to its own nature—like the level of the plumb line, like natural evenness. When change arrives, go along with it; follow its movement without using the mind to guess the principle of nature in advance. Hence: do not use human cleverness to intrude upon the Way of Heaven (tiandao).

Life seems sometimes gain and sometimes loss; death too seems sometimes gain and sometimes loss—do not treat birth and death as profit and loss to be counted. However life unfolds, calling it “gain” is fine; however death unfolds, calling it “gain” is also fine, and calling it “loss” is also fine; at birth, calling it “loss” is fine as well.

In the matter of “medicine,” what is meant are things such as jian (chuanwu, Sichuan aconite), jiegeng (balloon-flower root), jiyong (jítóu, “cock’s comb” herb), and shuling (mù zhū líng, wood hog fungus). Each becomes momentarily “sovereign” only in the time and role where it applies and in the condition it governs—how could such titles ever be exhaustively listed?

Goujian once withdrew to Kuaiji with three thousand armored men; only Wen Zhong understood why “perishing” could still mean “preserving.” Yet Wen Zhong did not understand why his own person fell into worry. Hence: the owl-hawk’s eyes have what they are fit to see; the crane’s shanks have a length that suits them—force cutting and reshaping brings only grief.

What “medicine” speaks of is precisely jian, jiegeng, jiyong, shuling, and the like. Whatever fits its use and governs the case is for a time prized as “sovereign”; that principle cannot be fully spoken. Jian is chuanwu; jiyong is jítóu; shuling is mù zhū líng. In compounding remedies, each ingredient has its main indication; the chief drug is called the “sovereign,” the rest are “ministers”—all are called “medicine,” yet in substance they are the same, differing only in weight according to use. Likewise a person in the world, employed in season, appears noble; out of season, appears low—but for oneself as such, there is originally no noble or base. These lines are deliberately striking prose.

Goujian retreated to Kuaiji with three thousand shield-bearing troops; only Wen Zhong knew why “destruction” could still preserve life; Wen Zhong did not know why his own body sank into anxiety. Hence: the owl’s eyes have their proper range, the crane’s legs their proper proportion—violently dissecting them leads to sorrow.

大夫种能为勾践报吴于已亡之中而求存可谓智矣而不知反以杀其身始者之用种为帝之时也及其杀之又一时也鸱之目用于夜而不中而求存可谓智矣而不知反以杀其身始者之用种为帝之时也及其杀之又一时也鸱之目用于夜而不用于昼亦随时也鹤胫之节虽长而不可断解断也言鹤之立其两胫或伸或屈亦要随时而用也 故曰风之过河也有损焉日之过河也有损焉请只风与日相与守河而河以为未始其撄也恃源而往者也河上之风日皆能损水而河未始以为损者其源长也其源出于自然故物虽损已而我无所撄拂也此五句自是一意只但也请使也使风与日但相与守河谓风日共守而不去也 故水之守土也审影之守人也审物之守物也审水土自然相入形影自然相依守不相离也物之守物如水流湿火就燥本乎天者亲上本乎地者亲下是也审定也信也谓决定如此也此三句是一自然相依守不相离也物之守物如水流湿火就燥本乎天者亲上本乎地者亲下是也审定也信也谓决定如此也此三句是一意天地之间自然一定之理决不可易也看此三个审字方知第七篇渊名之审不可以蟠字易之 故目之于明也殆耳之于聪也殆心之于殉也殆凡能其于府也殆殆之成也不给改祸之长也兹萃

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殆危也有心于用明有心于用聪有心于殉物皆非自安之道故曰殆府脏府也智出于胸腑自以为能凡如此者皆危故曰凡能其于府也殆不给即犹不及也危殆既成则不及改矣兹萃愈多也兹与滋同 其反也缘功其果也待久而人以为已宝不亦悲乎故有亡国戮民无已不知问是也 反覆也缘因也因不及也危殆既成则不及改矣兹萃愈多也兹与滋同 其反也缘功其果也待久而人以为已宝不亦悲乎故有亡国戮民无已不知问是也 反覆也缘因也因谋功之心则必至于自覆败果必也有待久之谋则其心固必而不化此皆为身之害而人人以此自喜如得宝然故曰人以为已宝古今之亡国与夫被刑戮之人相寻而无已皆不知于此致问而已言其不问道也 故足之于地也践虽践恃其所不蹍而后善博也人之知也少虽少恃其所不知而后知天之所谓也 人之行地两足所践不过少许若皆削去其地仅能容足则难行矣博远也于其所践之外必有足所不践之地则其行也可以致远蹍亦践也此句以譬下句人之所知者能几何其所不知者皆天也不恃吾之所知而恃吾之所不知则知天矣 知大一知大阴知大目知大均知大方知大信知大定至矣大一通之大阴解之大目视之大均缘之大方所不知者皆天也不恃吾之所知而恃吾之所不知则知天矣
Interpretation

Plain-Language Reading

Where danger comes from

Wanting only to be clever, wanting only sharp ears and clear eyes, wanting to sell your life for external things—these are not ways to settle yourself, so they are called dai (danger).

Fu means the chest and belly, the inner organs. Crafty cleverness wells up from the heart; people who think they have real skill are all in peril. Hence the saying: heaping all your skill in the “fu” (inner storehouse) is dangerous.

Bu gei means still not enough, still wanting more. Once danger is fixed in place, there is no time left to change; this kind of growth keeps piling up (zi and zi in the same sense—more and more accumulation).

Scheming for merit and waiting long

Ruin often starts from craving merit; outcomes come from “having waited long enough.” Yet people treat this whole pattern as a treasure—is that not sad? So ruined states and lost lives follow one after another, all because they will not reflect here and only talk without asking about the Great Dao.

Fan is overturning; yuan is cause. Because there is a mind that schemes for merit, one necessarily ends up undoing oneself; having an outcome is inevitable. If there is calculation that “it only succeeds after a long wait,” the heart becomes stubborn and unchanged—these all harm the person. Yet everyone still takes pride in this, as if they had gained a treasure, hence “people take themselves for a treasure.” Through past and present, those who lose their state or suffer execution are endless—all because they do not know to question here and only speak without asking the Dao.

Feet and ground, knowing and not-knowing

When people walk, each foot only treads a tiny patch of ground. If you dug away all the ground not stepped on and left only enough for two feet, you could not go far. To go far, beyond what is stepped on, there must still be ground the feet have not touched.

Zhi (knowing) is the same: what people know is very little. Though little, you must rely on what is not known (the Dao, the whole) to truly understand. What the Dao displays lies precisely here—do not lean only on “what I know,” but lean on “what I do not know,” and only then can you know Heaven.

Knowing the “great” virtues

Knowing the “great unity” (tong), knowing the “great yin” (release), knowing the “great eye” (seeing), knowing the “great balance” (following), knowing the “great square” (uprightness), knowing the “great faith” (trust), knowing the “great stillness” (ding)—at that level, one is nearly there.

“Great unity” is penetrating thoroughness; “great yin” is untying bonds; “great eye” is contemplative seeing; “great balance” is following what is fitting (being at ease with one’s lot); “great square” is holding to the square (integrity). What is not known all belongs to Heaven. Not relying on one’s own knowing but on one’s own not-knowing—only then can one know Heaven.

知大一知大阴知大目知大均知大方知大信知大定至矣大一通之大阴解之大目视之大均缘之大方体之大信稽之大定持之 大一造化之运者也天向一中分造化是也阴静也大阴至静也极其静定则无所不解矣解音蟹犹佛书所谓解脱也大目所见者广也大均大分剂也缘顺也大方太虚也大方无隅混然一体故曰大方体之大信真实之理也稽者决也知此真实之理则无疑可决矣大定物物之定理也持总持也总天下之物者此一定之理也 尽有天循有照冥有枢始有彼则其解之也似不解之者其知之也似不知之也不知而后知之 凡事到尽处便见天命故曰尽有天即人事尽而天理见也循乎自然则吉凶祸福荣辱得丧其理皆见故曰循有照冥冥之中自有执其枢要者即所谓主张纲维是者也故曰冥有枢无物之始必有物以始之齐物论曰非彼无我非我也循乎自然则吉凶祸福荣辱得丧其理皆见故曰循有照冥冥之中自有执其枢要者即所谓主张纲维是者也故曰冥有枢无物之始必有物以始之齐物论曰非彼无我非我无所取即此彼字故曰始有彼彼造物自然之理也曰天曰照曰枢曰彼虽可解之知之亦似不解不知者谓不敢以为可知可解也惟其以不知为知乃真知也
Interpretation

To know the Great One, the Great Yin, the Great Eye, the Great Balance, the Great Square, the Great Faith, and the Great Fixity is to reach the summit.

The Great One is the master pivot of the running of creation; Heaven differentiates the myriad things from the “One,” and creation works in this way. The Great Yin means ultimate stillness; the Great Yin is utmost quiet—when stillness reaches its extreme, nothing remains that cannot be “released” (jie, read like xie in “crab,” akin to “liberation” in Buddhist texts). The Great Eye sees far and sees broadly. The Great Balance is the great boundary and great equipoise; yuan means to follow along. The Great Square is like the great void; the Great Square has no sharp corners—it is one blended whole, hence “the Great Square embodies it.” The Great Faith is the truth of reality; ji means to decide and judge. Once this layer of truth is clear, there is no hesitation that cannot be settled. The Great Fixity is the fixed principle shared by all things; chi means to hold and gather overall. What gathers and holds the myriad things of the world is this principle of “fixity.”


“When human affairs are exhausted, there is Heaven; when one follows, there is illumination; in the dark there is a pivot; at the beginning there is ‘that’ (bi)—then resolving them is like one who does not resolve, knowing them is like one who does not know; only after not-knowing does one truly know.”

When human effort is carried to its limit, the Mandate of Heaven appears—hence “when exhausted, there is Heaven”: when human affairs are spent, heavenly principle shows itself. Xun is following nature; then the patterns of fortune and misfortune, honor and disgrace, gain and loss all become visible—hence “when one follows, there is illumination.” Within obscurity there is something that holds the hub—the level that steers the whole network—hence “in the dark there is a pivot.” Before there are things, there must first be “that” (bi) to initiate; the Qi Wu Lun says “without that, there is no me; without me, nothing is taken”—that is this word bi, hence “at the beginning there is bi.” Bi is the creator and the principle of nature. Heaven, illumination, pivot, and bi can be explained and can be known, yet one must also be like “not resolving” and not dare to think one has fully resolved, like “not knowing” and not dare to think one fully knows—because taking not-knowing as knowing is what it really means to know.

其问之也不可以有崖而不可以无崖颉滑有实古今不代而不可以则可不谓有大扬搉乎阖不亦问是以奚惑然为以不惑解惑复于不惑是尚大不惑问者问造物之理也言我欲问造物之理以为有崖际不可也以为无崖代而不可以则可不谓有大扬搉乎阖不亦问是以奚惑然为以不惑解惑复于不惑是尚大不惑问者问造物之理也言我欲问造物之理以为有崖际不可也以为无崖际亦不可也颉颉顽也滑旋转也言造物之妙无所捉摸也不可捉摸则若无物而又实有之故曰颉滑有实从古至今只是一个造化初无更代而用之不穷何尝有一毫损故曰古今不代而不可以以此理言之岂不为一项大议论乎扬防提掇发扬而论之也阖何也是造物之理也何不问此造物之理又奚疑乎故曰奚惑然为以此不疑之理而解天下之疑而又复归于不疑之地则庶几乎至于大不疑矣赵州问南泉不疑之道便是此数语之意尚庶几也只不疑二字庄子鼓舞出来却撰出此数句以结一篇之文可谓奇特此篇亦与内篇何异 杂篇则阳第二十五 则阳游于楚夷节言之于王王未之见夷节归彭阳见王果曰夫子何不谭我于王王果篇则阳第二十五
Interpretation

This passage explains how to question the principles of creation, what to ask, and how to move from doubt back to “non-doubt.”

The speaker wants to press further into the principles of creation—the root account of how heaven, earth, and the myriad things arise and are transformed. If you treat those principles as having a fixed boundary and a clear beginning and end, that misses the mark; if you treat them as utterly without boundary and blank emptiness, that also misses the mark. Such principles are as stubborn and hard to pin down as they are slippery and shifting—you seem unable to grasp them, yet they act in real ways upon the ten thousand things. Hence the phrase “stubborn and slippery, yet with reality” (geng hua you shi).

From ancient times to the present, what runs is one and the same process of creation and transformation—not a swapped-in “new edition”; creation is used without being exhausted, and does not diminish in the least. Hence “past and present do not replace one another, yet nothing is lost or diminished.” On this reading, can we not say this is a great theme worth lifting up and spelling out at length? Yang que means to bring the teaching forward, develop it, and argue it through clearly.

What is he (closure)? It is the principles of creation themselves. Given that, why not question this very principle of creation directly—what is there still to doubt? Hence “why still be perplexed?” The right move is: use what is already clear and no longer doubtful to untie the world’s perplexities, then return to a stable ground where doubt no longer arises—only then do you approach “great non-doubt.”

In Chan, Zhaozhou’s question to Nanquan about “the way of non-doubt” largely turns on these lines. Shang means “still, almost”; shang da bu huo points roughly toward that “great non-doubt.” The commentator notes: Zhuangzi could have hit the theme with the two words “non-doubt,” yet deliberately unfolds these sentences to close the chapter—the rhetorical force is striking; and holds that this piece is of one spirit with the inner chapters of the Zhuangzi.

则阳游于楚夷节言之于王王未之见夷节归彭阳见王果曰夫子何不谭我于王王果曰我不若公阅休彭阳曰公阅休奚为者邪曰冬则擉鳖于江夏则休乎山樊有过而问者曰此予宅也夫夷节已不能而况我乎吾又不若夷节夫夷节之为人也无德而有知不自许以之神其交因颠冥乎富贵之地非相助以德相助消也夫冻者假衣于春暍者反冬乎冷风夫楚王之为人也形尊而严其于罪也无赦如虎非夫佞人正德其孰能挠焉故圣人其穷也使家人忘其贫其达也使王公忘爵禄而化卑其于物也与于春暍者反冬乎冷风夫楚王之为人也形尊而严其于罪也无赦如虎非夫佞人正德其孰能挠焉故圣人其穷也使家人忘其贫其达也使王公忘爵禄而化卑其于物也与之为娱矣其于人也乐物之通而保已焉故或不言而饮人以和与人并立而使人化父子之宜彼其乎归居而一间其所施其于外人心者若是其远也故曰待公阅休
Interpretation

The modern interpretation runs as follows. Zeyang traveled to the state of Chu. Yijie spoke to the King of Chu and wanted to recommend him, but the king did not receive Zeyang. When Yijie returned, Pengyang was able to meet the king. The king said, “Why did you not recommend me to us?” Pengyang replied, “Yijie has already spoken of you, and you still did not see him. My ability falls even shorter of Yijie’s—how could I dare bring it up again?” The king said again, “I am not the equal of Gong Yuexiu in knowing and employing people.” Pengyang asked, “What does Gong Yuexiu do?” The answer was: “In winter he catches soft-shelled turtles in the Yangtze; in summer he rests on Mount Fan. When passersby asked him, he would say, ‘This is my home.’”

From this Pengyang reflected: what Yijie could not achieve, he could not expect to achieve either. Moreover, Yijie as a person lacked genuine De (Virtue/Power) yet was very crafty. He did not stand on real virtue, but used talk of supernatural powers and the like to cultivate ties with the powerful and wealthy, mixing in circles of rank and riches. That was not assisting one another with De, but wearing each other down with craft and desire. Someone freezing wants to borrow the warmth of spring; someone overcome by heat wants to hide in winter’s cold wind—each takes what suits them. The King of Chu stood high, his dignity severe; when he punished, he showed no leniency—like a tiger. Unless one relied on flattery and bent one’s character, who could sway him? So when the sage is in straits, he can keep his household from suffering because of poverty; when he rises high, he can make kings and dukes forget rank and stipend, while he himself remains humble. Toward things, he can share joy with them; toward people, he delights to see all things connected and also preserves himself. Sometimes he need not say much, yet it is as if he “drinks” harmony into another’s heart; standing shoulder to shoulder with someone, he can transform them. The fitting way for father and son to be together also lies in this naturalness. Retiring to one side, he is far separated from others in heart, yet his influence runs deep. Therefore it is said: one must still wait for someone like Gong Yuexiu.

则阳姓彭名阳字则阳夷节尝荐则阳于王未用而归也此予宅者言其无定居也彭阳好进故以者语之欲其自悟也无德而有智不知有天理而纯用私智也神在我之自然者也颠迷富贵之交坚固不解而失其本心不复知本身有自然之神故曰不自许以之神也其于人也非相与为善乃相率以为自损之道也故曰非相助以德相助消也此句自下得好贵之交坚固不解而失其本心不复知本身有自然之神故曰不自许以之神也其于人也非相与为善乃相率以为自损之道也故曰非相助以德相助消也此句自下得好冻者得衣则其暖如春暍者得风则其冷如冬言人之相与必以有余济其不足也彭阳之好进是其不足者也我告汝以退如执之以濯御寒之授衣将于汝有补也形尊而严言恃势以陵下也罪人而不赦好杀如虎是不仁也挠自屈也非真小人孰能屈挠其身以事之有佞人之正德谓真小人也却如此下四字自佳故圣人其穷也以下皆言有道而无求进用之意王公尊者也忘其爵禄而能下士化尊为卑也穷万物之理以自乐故曰其于物也与之为娱其于人世循乎万物之理而略无窒碍以自保其真为乐故曰乐物之通而保已有不言之教可以悟人如以自乐故曰其于物也与之为娱其于人世循乎万物之理而略无窒碍以自保其真为乐故曰乐物之通而保已有不言之教可以悟人如以至和饮之也佛书所谓如饮醍醐是也目击而道存正容使人意也消故曰与人并立而使人化彼其犹诗曰彼其之子也此一句倒下意谓彼其之子若归而居乎尊卑长幼各得其宜故曰父子之宜彼其乎归居而其所施一本于闲暇殊不容力焉故曰而一闲其所施此言其在家在乡各得其和也其于人心若是其远犹言人之度量相远如是哉盖谓公阅休之心如此而彭阳之心若彼其相去远矣吾又不若夷节者言夷节佞人也彼亦好进者也所以进汝于王我岂肯似彼耶此鄙薄夷节之意也【父子之宜彼其乎归居是一句】
Interpretation

Vernacular Commentary on Zhuangzi Kouyi (Oral Explanations of the Zhuangzi)

Zeyang: His surname was Peng, given name Yang, courtesy name Zeyang. Yi Jie once recommended Zeyang to the King of Chu, but he was not appointed and went home. “This is one who has no fixed dwelling” means the man has no settled place. Peng Yang was eager to advance, so such phrases as “lodging temporarily, no fixed abode” were used to nudge him toward self-understanding.

Having wisdom without De (Virtue/Power): To be clever without moral character is to ignore the natural order and rely only on private scheming.

Shen (spirit) here is what is naturally in me: “Shen” means the natural spiritual clarity that belongs to a person—not something added from outside. When one is lost in ties of wealth and rank, bonds tighten until they cannot be undone; then the original mind is lost and one forgets the natural shen within the body. Hence “not granting oneself the shen”—refusing to acknowledge shen as one’s own endowment.

In dealing with people… mutual aid in decline: In human relations, they do not join in doing good but lead each other on paths of self-harm—so the help is not in De but in “xiao” (mutual consumption). What follows—“one who loves cold gets clothes…”—continues this: someone who loves cold gets clothes and feels warm as in spring; someone overcome by heat gets wind and feels cool as in winter. In human dealings, one always uses surplus to fill lack. Peng Yang’s eagerness to advance is precisely his “lack”; teaching you to hold back, like warming yourself with ashes or giving clothes against cold, is what supplements you.

Form lofty and stern: Relying on power and high station, harsh toward those below.

Not pardoning the guilty, killing like a tiger: Ruling without mercy, killing like a tiger—that is inhumanity.

Nao means to bend oneself: Nao is to humble oneself and yield in body.

Were it not a true petty man, who could…: Only such a “true petty man” could serve others by bending so. “Having the upright De of the flatterer” refers to the true petty man; the four characters “yet so” connect well to what follows.

Thus when the sage is in straits…: From here on, the point is that one who has the Dao, even when unfulfilled, does not seek advancement.

The king and duke are honored, yet forgetting rank and stipend they can defer to scholars: Though kings and dukes are exalted, they can forget titles and salary and place themselves below scholars—lowering the high to the low.

Exhausting the principles of the ten thousand things for one’s own joy… sharing joy with things: Probing the principles of the ten thousand things and rejoicing in that, finding joy together with things.

Following the principles of the ten thousand things in human affairs… rejoicing in the flow of things while preserving oneself: In human affairs, following the principles of the ten thousand things with almost no obstruction, taking preservation of the authentic self as joy—“rejoicing in the flow of things while preserving oneself.”

There is teaching without words…: There is wordless teaching that awakens others, like drinking supreme harmony; what Buddhist texts call drinking ghee is this idea.

The eye meets it and the Dao is present; a composed countenance makes others’ distracting thoughts dissolve: At one glance the Dao is there; upright bearing dissolves others’ idle thoughts.

Standing shoulder to shoulder with others and transforming them: Standing beside people and thereby transforming them.

He is like what the Ode says, ‘That man of theirs’: Again citing the Ode’s “that man of theirs.” This line should be read with the following meaning inverted in mind.

If each returns to his place so that superior and inferior, elder and younger each get what fits, it is called the fitness of father and son; he returns to where he belongs: If each takes his proper place so that ranks and ages are as they should be, that is father and son each in their fit relation; “he” (that man) returns to where he ought to dwell.

What he applies springs entirely from ease, and does not rely on forced effort: His conduct comes wholly from leisure and does not depend on strained force.

This says that at home and in the community he attains harmony: This means that in the family and in the village he achieves harmony.

In human hearts, the distance can be so great: The gap between hearts can be as vast as this—Gong Yuexiu’s heart is thus, Peng Yang’s heart is otherwise; they are far apart.

I am again not like Yi Jie: I am not like Yi Jie either. Yi Jie was a flatterer who also sought advancement; it was he who recommended you to the king. How could I be like him? This is contempt for Yi Jie.

【“The fitness of father and son; he returns to where he belongs” is one sentence】: The bracketed note is the original editor’s mark that in the source text “the fitness of father and son; he returns to where he belongs” forms a single sentence.


Note: This passage is an oral-style exposition of the Zeyang chapter of the Zhuangzi, interweaving commentary on Peng Yang, Yi Jie, Gong Yuexiu, and themes such as shen, De, xiao, how sages conduct themselves, and “that man of theirs.” For comparison with the received Zhuangzi, the classical text itself should be taken as authoritative.

圣人达绸缪周尽一节佞人也彼亦好进者也所以进汝于王我岂肯似彼耶此鄙薄夷节之意也【父子之宜彼其乎归居是一句】 圣人达绸缪周尽一体矣而不知其然性也复命揺作而以天为师人则从而命之也忧乎知而所行恒无几时其有止也若之何 绸缪者阴阳造化往来相因而不己之意一体者精粗合而为一也圣人达乎造化之理而穷尽周徧精粗合一之妙所以循乎自然而不知其所以然故曰性也性自然者也揺作即动用也动用作为皆复归于天命而以自然为主故曰以天为师命之者称名之也以圣然者也揺作即动用也动用作为皆复归于天命而以自然为主故曰以天为师命之者称名之也以圣人之名从而称之圣人初何心哉故曰人则从而命之也忧乎知者以人之私智其忧万端多少计较能有几件计较得行故曰所行恒无几我将有为有行而尼之于命人亦如之何故曰时其有止也若之何时命也止尼也此两句曲尽世情推原其患皆自知字始若知其所不知则无忧矣故下面有美鉴之喻 生而美者人与之鉴不告则不知其美于人也若知之若不知之若闻之若不闻之其可喜也终无己人之好之亦无己性也圣人之爱人也人与之名不告则不知其爱人也若知之若不知之若闻之若不闻之其爱人也终无己人之安之亦无己性也
Interpretation

Section one (on Yi Jie)

The sage can penetrate the principle of chou mou—the way yin and yang in creation are bound together in endless mutual turning—and can explain “pervading the whole as one body” very fully. But someone like Yi Jie is a crafty flatterer and a climber; if he recommends you to the ruler, why would I follow that path? That is contempt for Yi Jie. The parenthetical line fu zi zhi yi, bi qi hu gui ju (“what is fitting between father and son—where would they return to dwell?”) should be read as one continuous sentence.

Section two (the sage, xing, and Tian)

The sage penetrates chou mou and the unity of the whole, yet need not deliberately ask why it is so—that is what is called xing (innate nature, “it is simply thus”). Movement and doing (yao zuo) all return to the mandate of Heaven; taking the natural as teacher is therefore called “taking Tian as teacher.” Others follow and label him “sage,” but he never had that intention in the first place—hence “people then follow him and name him.”

“You you hu zhi” (anxiously relying on one’s own knowing): using personal cleverness to worry and calculate, weighing myriad details—what can actually be carried out is often almost nothing, so “what is practiced is constantly few.” Sometimes fate says stop; what can a person do? Hence “when the time has its stopping, what then?”—shi (timeliness), ming (fate), zhi (stopping), and ni (obstruction) are all in play here. These two lines lay bare worldly truth: disaster often begins in “thinking oneself knows”; if one knows what one does not know, there is no need to worry. Below, “the beautiful one as mirror” and “loving people” serve as analogies.

Section three (the metaphor of wu ji)

Someone born beautiful—others take him as a mirror; if no one explains it, he may not know that “beauty lies in others’ eyes.” Seeming to know, yet not knowing; seeming to hear, yet not hearing—what is worth rejoicing in is that in the end there is wu ji (no fixation on “I am beautiful”); when others delight in him, he is also wu ji (no fixation on “people approve of me”)—that is xing.

The sage’s love of people is the same: the world gives him the title “one who loves people”; if no one explains it, he may not know that “the world is calling him a lover of people.” Seeming to know, yet not knowing; seeming to hear, yet not hearing—the heart that loves people is ultimately wu ji; when others are at ease, he is also wu ji—again xing.

妍生于丑若不告之以丑者则亦不自知其妍矣有妍媸美恶分别便是忧端之所由生故曰不知不闻其喜终无己我既无美恶之别与物以无心则人之好我也亦无己此自然之理也故曰分别便是忧端之所由生故曰不知不闻其喜终无己我既无美恶之别与物以无心则人之好我也亦无己此自然之理也故曰性因鉴美之喻又及圣人爱人之名其意盖谓爱人至于有名则有心矣有心则离本真之性矣 旧国旧都望之畅然虽使丘陵草木之缗入之者十九犹之畅然况见见闻闻者也以十仞之台县众间者也冉相氏得其环中以随成与物无终无始无几无时日与物化者一不化者也阖尝舍之
Interpretation

Beauty and ugliness arise in pairs. What we call “yan” (beauty) exists only in relation to “chou” (ugliness); unless people first know what ugliness is, they will not feel how beautiful they themselves are. Once distinctions such as beauty versus ugliness and good versus bad appear, the root of worry grows from there.

Hence Zhuangzi says: there is no need to strive to know or to hear; the heart can instead hold a joy free of “I”-attachment. When I no longer draw a line between beauty and ugliness within, and no longer hold a discriminating mind toward outer things, whether others like or dislike me, I no longer treat that as “my honor or shame”—this is the way that accords with nature.

(What follows picks up the metaphors of “nature” and “mirror-like judgment of beauty,” and speaks again of the name attached to the sage who “loves people.”) In gist: if a sage “loves people” to the point of fame and labels, the heart already holds artifice and discrimination; once such “intentionality” appears, one is already far from authentic nature.

Zhuangzi is also cited on “the old state and old capital”: returning to a familiar homeland and old capital, a single glance opens the chest; even if hills and scrub look nine-tenths “in the way,” the whole still feels expansive—how much more when one sees and hears the old scene in person? It is like a high terrace suspended among the crowd. Master Ranxiang obtained the “huanzhong” (pivot at the center) and let things complete themselves as they may; dwelling with things, there is no beginning or end, no more or less, no fixed season; transforming with the day and with things, yet there is one pivot that does not transform—He (perhaps a certain realm) once tried to cast it aside, (but could not, for that alone is where one rests secure).


Brief notes on terms:

  • Yan and chou: beauty and ugliness.
  • Huanzhong: the unbiased, non-clinging pivot (from the Zhuangzi).
  • Master Ranxiang: a figure in Zhuangzi’s parables who attains “huanzhong” and follows things through change.
  • “One who transforms with day and things is one who does not transform”: outwardly changing with things, inwardly there is one that does not change.
久旅而归见其旧国都必有畅然之意言有所感也纵使入其旧国之中人物已变丘陵之上草木皆荒缗合比之昔日十失其九但有一分相似处犹且畅然有感而况求道之人忽然自悟得见其所自见闻其所自闻者皆本然固有之物能不喜乎佛氏所谓本来面目本地风光便是此意十刃之台最高处也县张乐也众县名也间犹言笙镛闲作也处甚高之地而听交奏固有之物能不喜乎佛氏所谓本来面目本地风光便是此意十刃之台最高处也县张乐也众县名也间犹言笙镛闲作也处甚高之地而听交奏迭作之乐可以耸动世俗之耳目而况古之圣人以虚中无为自然之理随万物而乐之其自处之高也如何环空中之物虚之喻也无终而无始终始如一也无几无时无古今也几者时节之变也日与物化言与物俱往日新又新即我之所得一个不化底如此用出来舍者去也阖者何也言世俗之人何不舍去故习而归至道也冉相氏即古圣人也 夫师天而不得师天与物皆殉其以为事也若之何夫圣人未始有底如此用出来舍者去也阖者何也言世俗之人何不舍去故习而归至道也冉相氏即古圣人也 夫师天而不得师天与物皆殉其以为事也若之何夫圣人未始有天未始有人未始有始未始有物与世偕行而不替所行之备而不洫其合之也若之何汤得其司御门尹登恒为之傅之从师而不囿得其随成为之司其名
Interpretation

After long travels, returning to one’s homeland and seeing familiar scenes often brings a sudden sense of clarity and relief—as if a weight has lifted. That is emotion stirred by old surroundings. Even if one enters the old country and the people have changed entirely, and the hills are overgrown so that only one part in ten still looks as it once did, as long as something still resembles the past, one can still feel that open, moved response. How much more so for someone on the path who suddenly awakens: what is seen and heard is what was always one’s own, always already there—how could joy not arise? What Buddhists call “the original face” and “the scenery of one’s native place” mean exactly this.

“Ten ren high terrace” refers to a very lofty platform; “suspended music” means instruments hung up for performance; “many suspended” are the various suspended bells and chimes; “interwoven” is like alternating pipes and large bells in succession. Standing in such a high place and hearing all these instruments play in turn is enough to shake the ears and eyes of ordinary people. How much more so the ancient sages, who take joy in the principle of empty stillness and Wuwei (non-action), following nature and rejoicing with the ten thousand things—how can the height of the realm they inhabit be put into words?

“Ring” uses a circle in empty space as a metaphor: there is no end, yet there is no true end either; beginning and end are originally one. “Almost no seasons” means no fixed turning of time; “no ancient or modern” means not bound to past or present. “Ji” here means the shift of seasons. “Daily transformation with things” means changing day by day along with the ten thousand things; “together with things, each day new again and again”—what is gained is an unchanging ground, yet it is lived out just so in daily life. “The one who lets go—what is let go? What is closed?” Why not drop old habits, why not shut the door? It is asking why worldly people do not release old patterns and return to the ultimate Dao. “Ran Xiangshi” is an ancient sage.

“Wishing to take Heaven as teacher yet failing to take Heaven as teacher”: treating one’s fixed views and attachments as the business to be done, going along with things in that way—what can come of it? The sage never makes “Heaven” an external object, never sets “human” over against it, never fixes “beginning” once and for all, never clings to “things” as solidly real. They walk the same road as the world without altering what is constant; what they practice is already complete, never exhausted or blocked. In what way, then, do they align with this Dao?

When King Tang obtained Si Yu (an official in charge of chariots or ritual), Men Yin Deng Heng became his teacher. King Tang followed the teacher without shutting himself in, went along with events to completion, and again obtained a teacher named “Si”—this borrows a historical allusion to illustrate the relation between following a teacher, yielding to circumstances, and naming (the specific figures and plot should be checked against the corresponding chapter of the Zhuangzi and the “oral commentary” text this passage follows).

师天而不得师天言以自然为法而无法自然之名不过与物相顺而已故曰与物皆殉若有心于为事则末如之何矣才有为事之意便非自然也有人有为也天无为也非惟无有为之迹亦并与其无为者无之故曰未始有天未始有人有物迹也无物之始无迹也非惟无有物之迹亦并与其无迹者无之故曰未始有始未始有物为者无之故曰未始有天未始有人有物迹也无物之始无迹也非惟无有物之迹亦并与其无迹者无之故曰未始有始未始有物行乎斯世未尝不与人同于人世初无废事也故曰与世偕行而不替不替不废也万行俱备而不着于其一故曰所行之备而不洫齐物曰以言其老洫也洫者泥着而滔溺之意也与道为一则不求而自合若求合于道则不可得而合之矣故曰其合之也若之何汤之于伊尹学焉而后臣之庄子把这一句却改名换字以其官为司御又曰门尹登恒皆是做此诡怪话傅者辅也言尹辅汤也汤虽以尹为师而不这一句却改名换字以其官为司御又曰门尹登恒皆是做此诡怪话傅者辅也言尹辅汤也汤虽以尹为师而不为其所笼也故曰从师而不囿汤之无为也自得万物之成理而随之自处于无为自然之地使其辅相之尹而主其名故曰得其随成为之司其名言汤无为而尹有为也汤无名而尹有名也司主也言门尹担当了许多有为之名也
Interpretation

Vernacular Explanation

To want to take Heaven as one’s teacher, yet in fact be unable truly to take Heaven as teacher; to pay lip service to “spontaneity” (ziran) as one’s standard, yet never grasp what that label “spontaneity” really points to—in the end it is only going along with and following the ten thousand things, hence the phrase “all go with things and are spent for them” (all turn and drift with things).

Once the mind holds the thought “I must act,” things go wrong; as soon as there is the slightest intention to act deliberately, it is already not natural. Among humans there is purposeful action; the Way of Heaven is Wuwei (non-action). One must not only erase the traces of Wuwei but also dissolve the very “one who is without action,” hence “there has never been Heaven, there has never been a person”—and one must negate the level of things still further: “no beginning of things, no trace.” Not only remove the traces of things but also let go of the layer of “no trace,” hence “there has never been a beginning, there has never been things.” Empty out the “doer” as well, so it is said again “there has never been Heaven, there has never been a person, there are traces of things”… (The text repeats these layers of negation again and again in order to break attachment.)

Moving in the world, one has never failed to live as others do; in human affairs one need not cut off ordinary business entirely, hence “going with the world in one’s conduct without ceasing”—“without ceasing” means not abandoning or stagnating. Every kind of conduct is complete, yet one does not cling to any single method, hence “what one practices is complete without sinking in.” The “old sinking” in the Discourse on Making All Things Equal (Qiwu lun)—“sinking” (xi) means miring and drowning in something.

Uniting with the Dao, one joins it without seeking; if one sets one’s heart on seeking union with the Dao, one cannot unite, hence “as for that union, what can be said of it?”

As for Tang (Cheng Tang, founding ruler of the Shang) and Yi Yin (the famous minister at the start of the Shang): Tang studied the Dao under Yi Yin, then took him as minister—the Zhuangzi original text here changes characters and names, sometimes reading “Director of Chariots,” sometimes “Gate-keeper Deng Heng”; all of that is that kind of playful, unsettling rhetoric. “Fu” means to assist: Yi Yin assisted Tang. Though Tang took Yi Yin as teacher, he was not confined by the role of disciple, hence “following the teacher without being hemmed in.” Tang’s Wuwei was attaining the self-so completion of the ten thousand things and going along with it, placing himself in the position of spontaneous non-action, while the assisting Yi Yin bore the names and labels of “having action,” hence “attaining that following completion, acting as master of its names”—Tang was without action and Yi Yin had action; Tang was without name and Yi Yin had name. “Si” means to preside over and take charge; the gate-keeper took on many names of “having action.”

之名嬴法得其两见仲尼之尽虑为之傅之容成氏曰除日无岁无内无外 之名此名也嬴余也剩也言此名之在世间是剩法也犹言长物也两见身与名为二也有心于为名则不得其混然之一者故曰得其两见伊尹之所担当已自未为奇特而孔子又慕之尽其思虑将以为辅相于斯世言夫子又欲为伊尹之事也此是讥侮圣人之意容成氏借古圣人之名慕之尽其思虑将以为辅相于斯世言夫子又欲为伊尹之事也此是讥侮圣人之意容成氏借古圣人之名也合三百六十日而后为一岁逐日而除去之则但可谓之日不可谓之岁故曰除日无岁此一句自好老子曰数车无车亦此意外之名因内而生无内则无外矣故曰无内无外举此二句以证自然之意
Interpretation

Plain-Language Reading of Zhuangzi Kouyi (Oral Exposition on the Zhuangzi)

On “Name” (ming) and “Surplus” (ying)

Here, “name” (ming), in the sense tied to ying, carries the idea of “what is extra or left over”—the “name” people scramble for in the world is like something superfluous, a burden.

“Two kinds of seeing” (liang jian) means treating “the person” and “reputation” as two separate things. If you set your heart on chasing fame, you cannot obtain that undivided wholeness; hence it is said one “gets the two seeings”—one only sees the split pair of opposites.

Remarks on Confucius and Yi Yin

The affairs Yi Yin took on were never anything extraordinary to begin with; yet Confucius admired that way of acting and exhausted his ingenuity, wanting to serve as a supporting minister in his own age. The point is: Master Kong also wanted to do what Yi Yin did. The tone carries mockery and a slighting attitude toward the “sage.”

“Lord Rongcheng” (Rongcheng shi) is a borrowed title from an ancient sage—it is not really a discussion of the historical Lord Rongcheng as a person.

“Remove the days and there is no year; no inner, no outer”

A full year must add up to three hundred and sixty days; if you subtract day after day, what remains is only “days,” and it can no longer be called a “year.” Hence “remove the days and there is no year.” The line itself is quite direct.

Laozi’s “count the parts of the carriage and there is no carriage” (shu che wu che) works the same way: once you enumerate and break things apart, the whole no longer holds.

Names of inner and outer

The “name” that faces outward is born from within; without an “inner,” there is no talk of an “outer.” Hence “no inner, no outer.” Commentators use these two lines to show that one need not forcibly split inner and outer—one may discuss them as they naturally arise.

魏莹与田侯牟约田侯牟背之魏莹怒将使人刺之犀首闻而耻之曰君为万乘之君也而以匹夫从雠衍请受甲二十万为君攻之虏其人民系其牛马使其君内发于背然后拔其国忌也出走然后抶其背折其脊季子闻而犀首闻而耻之曰君为万乘之君也而以匹夫从雠衍请受甲二十万为君攻之虏其人民系其牛马使其君内发于背然后拔其国忌也出走然后抶其背折其脊季子闻而耻之曰筑十仞之城城者既十仞矣则又坏之此胥靡之所苦也今兵不起七年矣此王之基也衍乱人不可听也华子闻而丑之曰善言伐齐者乱人也善言勿伐者亦乱人也谓伐之与不伐乱人也者又乱人也君曰然则若何曰君求其道而已矣 魏莹魏惠王也田侯齐威王也胥靡刑余之人城筑之所役也城既成而又坏之则役者以为苦矣兵不起七年此魏王之业之美也而犀首教之用兵犹坏其已成之城也衍犀首之名也华子之言盖谓着一伐字则皆未免于容心故以三者皆为乱人知道则并与兵不言矣故成之城也衍犀首之名也华子之言盖谓着一伐字则皆未免于容心故以三者皆为乱人知道则并与兵不言矣故曰君求其道而已矣
Interpretation

King Wei of Wei (Wei Ying) had once made an agreement with King Wei of Qi (Tian Hou), but King Wei of Qi broke it. King Wei of Wei was furious and wanted to send someone to assassinate him.

When Gongsun Yan (Xishou) heard of this, he felt ashamed and said: You are a ruler with ten thousand chariots, yet you would take revenge like a common man. Yan asks to lead two hundred thousand armored troops to attack Qi for you: capture the people, drive off the cattle and horses, so that the ruler of Qi is shamed in his heart and his state is overturned.

When Master Ji heard of this, he too felt ashamed and said: To build a wall ten ren high and, when it has just reached ten ren, to tear it down again—that is what convict laborers (xumi) suffer most bitterly. Seven years without using troops was a fine thing for King Wei’s foundation to be secure; Xishou now urges you to use troops—it is like tearing down a wall already built. Yan is one who disturbs people’s hearts; do not listen to him.

When Master Hua heard of this, he found it even more unsatisfactory and said: Those who are good at arguing for attacking Qi disturb people’s hearts; those who are good at arguing against attacking Qi also disturb people’s hearts; and those who say “both arguing for and against war disturb people’s hearts” are likewise disturbing people’s hearts.

The King of Wei asked: Then what should be done?

The answer: The ruler need only devote himself single-mindedly to seeking the Dao—that is enough.


Note: The original text of the final passage has repetition and miscopying in transmission (the sections on Xishou and Master Hua are nearly duplicated). The account above follows the usual narrative order: Xishou favors war; Master Ji uses “tearing down the wall” as a metaphor for wasting the people and undermining the foundation; Master Hua points out that anyone who clings to a fixed view on “war or no war” is “disturbing people”; the conclusion returns to not being fixated on debates over arms and strife, but turning toward the Dao—consistent with the “equalizing things” and “releasing fixation” themes often found in Zhuangzi-related texts.

惠子闻之而见戴晋人晋人曰有所谓蜗者君知之乎曰然有国于蜗之左角者曰触氏有国于蜗之右角者曰蛮氏时相与争地而战伏尸数万逐北旬有五日而后反君曰噫其虚言与曰臣请为君实之君以意在四方上下有穷乎君曰无穷曰知游心于无穷而反在通达之国若存若亡乎君曰然曰通达之中有魏于魏中有梁于梁中有王王与蛮氏有辩乎君曰无辩客出而君惝然若有亡也客出惠子见君曰客大人也圣人不足以当之惠子曰夫吹管也犹有嗃也吹剑首者吷而已矣尧舜人之所誉也道尧舜于戴晋人之前譬犹一吷【音血上同】也 此一段极好惠子闻华子有求道之故荐戴晋人而见之王晋人有道者也蜗角之喻似若虚言而下面得来却成真个故曰请为君实之无穷太虚之间也通】也
Interpretation

Huizi heard of this and introduced a lofty visitor from Jin—Dai Jinren—to see King Hui of Liang. Dai Jinren said to the king: “There is a tiny creature called the snail—does Your Majesty know it?” The king said: “I do.” Dai Jinren said: “On the left horn of the snail there is a state called Chushi; on the right horn there is another state called Manshi. The two often fight over territory; the dead and wounded number in the tens of thousands; pursuing a routed army can take fifteen days before the troops return home. Does Your Majesty take this as empty talk or as real?” The king said: “Of course empty talk.” Dai Jinren said: “Then allow me to apply the same reasoning to what is real: if Your Majesty sets your mind on the four directions and above and below, is there a limit to that space?” The king said: “There is no limit.” Dai Jinren said: “Since you know the mind can roam in a boundless domain, yet you still return to the ‘accessible’ realm of the human world—in the face of the infinite, are the state of Wei, the capital Liang, and Your Majesty yourself as if present yet as if absent?” The king said: “It is so.” Dai Jinren said: “In this accessible world there is Wei; in Wei there is Liang; in Liang there is the king. Between Your Majesty and the lord of Manshi, from the perspective of the infinite, is there any difference?” The king said: “None.”

After the guest withdrew, King Hui felt unsettled and empty, as if he had lost something. Huizi came to see the king again. The king said: “That guest is truly a lofty person—even a sage might not match him.” Huizi said: “When one blows a pipe, there is at least the sound ‘ho’; if one blows only the round hole at the sword guard, there is merely a faint ‘xue’ (an extremely slight sound). Yao and Shun are praised by people; before someone in Dai Jinren’s kind of awakened state, that praise is as insignificant as a single ‘xue.’”


Explanatory note (why this passage works so well)

This passage is exceptionally well wrought: Huizi, having heard that Huazi harbored an aspiration to seek the Dao, only then recommended Dai Jinren to the king of Liang. Dai Jinren is a person who has attained the Dao. The parable of the snail’s two horns sounds at first like fantasy; step by step, however, it grounds “great and small, honor and disgrace, fighting over land” in real force—hence “allow me to make it real for you”: through the boundless, the accessible, and “as if present yet absent,” Wei, Liang, the king, and Manshi are all brought onto one scale.

“Boundless” here means a realm like the great void, without edge; “accessible” here means this layer of reality that can be named and inhabited in the human world. After the king is moved, he is “unsettled as if he had lost something”—precisely the moment when old attachments are emptied out; Huizi then compares blowing a pipe, blowing the sword pommel, and the fame of Yao and Shun, showing that before one who truly roams the mind in the infinite, the highest renown of the mundane world weighs no more than a single breath of sound.

此一段极好惠子闻华子有求道之故荐戴晋人而见之王晋人有道者也蜗角之喻似若虚言而下面得来却成真个故曰请为君实之无穷太虚之间也通达之国即中国也以太虚而观中国则至为微细若有若无故曰若存若亡乎杜子美曰俯视但一气焉能辩皇州即此意也以中国而观魏又为小矣梁是其都也于魏国之中而观所都之地又小矣于所都之中而求王之一身愈微而愈小矣自太虚之上等而下之则观王之身与蜗角之蛮触何异故曰无辩言其同也惝然若有亡者茫然自失而知其所争之不足争也管犹有窍比之箫笛虽无音节其吹之者犹有嗃然之声若以剑首而吹则一吷而已言其全无声也此意盖谓有道者之前虽欲仁义道理皆无所容其声也 孔子之楚舍于蚁丘之浆其邻有夫妻臣已言其全无声也此意盖谓有道者之前虽欲仁义道理皆无所容其声也 孔子之楚舍于蚁丘之浆其邻有夫妻臣妾登极者子路曰是稯稯何为者邪仲尼曰是圣人仆也是自埋于民自藏于畔其声销其志无穷其口虽言其心未尝言方且与世违而心不屑与之俱是陆沈者也是其市南宜僚邪子路请往召之孔子曰已矣彼知丘之着于己也知丘之适楚也以丘为必使楚王之召己也彼且以丘为佞人也夫若然者其于佞人也羞闻其言而况亲见其身乎而何以为存子路往视之其室虚矣
Interpretation

This passage is beautifully argued. When Huizi learned that Hua Zi wished to pursue the Way, he recommended Dai Jinren (Wang Jinren, a man of the Way) to meet him.

The image of “fighting over territory on a snail’s horn” sounds like empty talk, yet the reasoning that follows is utterly concrete—hence “please take this as the solid truth for you.” Viewed from the boundless great void, the “realm of universal passage” is simply the Middle Kingdom; measured against that, the kingdom seems to exist or not at all—thus “as if present, as if absent.” Du Fu’s line “Looking down I see but one breath—how can I tell emperor from common street?” expresses the same idea. From the Middle Kingdom down to the state of Wei, things shrink further; Liang is Wei’s capital, and within Wei the capital is smaller still; within the capital, searching for the King of Wei alone, one finds ever less. Descending step by step from the void, how is the king’s person any different from Man and Chu on a snail’s horn? Hence “no distinction”—they are the same. Dazed and emptied, one sees that what was fought over was not worth fighting over.

“Even a tube still has holes”: a wind instrument like a flute or pipe, though it does not form a full melody by itself, still gives the player a hoarse breath-sound when blown; blow through a sword hilt and you get only a puff of air—almost silence. The point: before one who has the Way, even if you wished to parade benevolence, righteousness, the Way, and principle, there is no room for the slightest sound.

When Confucius went to Chu, he lodged with a syrup-seller at Ant Mound. Neighbors had affairs of husband and wife, servants and concubines “ascending to the summit” (rising to the highest place or rank). Zilu asked: What are all these busy people doing? Confucius said: They are attendants of a sage—burying themselves among the people, hiding at the field’s edge, their names erased, their aspirations endless. Though the mouth speaks, the heart does not truly speak. They squarely oppose the vulgar world and inwardly disdain going along with it; they are people who “sink into the land” (Lu Chen—hidden in the mundane world). Are they perhaps of the same kind as Shinan Yiliao? Zilu was about to call on them. Confucius said: Forget it. Such a one knows Confucius would involve him—knowing Confucius was bound for Chu, he assumed Confucius would surely have the King of Chu summon him; he would take Confucius for a master of clever speech. Someone like that is ashamed even to hear a rhetorician—how much less to see one face to face. Why bother to “keep” him ( detain or befriend him)? Zilu went to look; the house was already empty.

蚁丘之地有卖浆之家夫子宿于其家也登极者升其屋极而望人也稯稯纷纷也圣人仆者言圣人之徒也自埋于民自于民间也畔邻也藏居于比邻人亦不知之也其声销逃名也沉不在水而在陆喻者之于市防也言此人必为市南宜僚之徒宜僚姓熊居于市南楚人也邻也藏居于比邻人亦不知之也其声销逃名也沉不在水而在陆喻者之于市防也言此人必为市南宜僚之徒宜僚姓熊居于市南楚人也着于己者谓我必知之着知也佞人多言之人也何以为存言其必去而不留矣其室虚者逃而去恐夫子言之楚王而召之故逃去也 长梧封人问子牢曰君为政焉勿卤莽治民焉勿灭裂昔予为禾耕而卤莽之则其实亦卤莽而报予芸而灭裂之其实亦灭裂而报予予来年变齐深其耕而熟耰之其禾繁以滋予终年厌飱庄子闻之曰今人之治其形理其心多有似封人之所谓遁其天离其性灭其情亡其神以众为故卤莽其性者欲恶之孽为性萑苇蒹葭始萌以扶吾形寻擢吾性并溃漏发不择所出漂疽疥痈内溲膏是也 封人因耕而喻政庄子又以喻学东坡稼实仿此也变齐者变易其法也厌飱饱萌以扶吾形寻擢吾性并溃漏发不择所出漂疽疥痈内溲膏是也
Interpretation

Plain-Language Reading of Zhuangzi Kouyi (Oral Explanations of Zhuangzi)

Yiqiu and the Vinegar Seller

In the district of Yiqiu there lived a family that sold vinegar; the Master (Confucius or the teacher he followed) once lodged with them. “Deng ji” means climbing to the highest point on the roof and looking down at people below; “zongzong fenfen” describes crowds coming and going in a busy, disorderly way.

“Shengren pu” refers to disciples of the sage: they bury themselves among ordinary people and live in hiding among the folk. “Pan lin” means dwelling nearby while others do not know who they are; “qi sheng xiao” means their reputation is also concealed. “Chen bu zai shui er zai lu”—not submerged in water but on dry land—uses that image to say that the recluse hides in markets and streets. The person meant here is very likely someone in the line of Shinan Yiliao. Yiliao bore the surname Xiong, lived in the southern market quarter, and was a man of Chu—likewise dwelling among neighbors unknown to all, with no fame; “sunk” not in water but on land, a figure who hides in the bustle of the town. The person spoken of should be understood as belonging to that Shinan Yiliao tradition.

“Zhuo yu ji” means “I am sure I can recognize and understand him”; “zhuo” is to hold firmly to the conviction that one knows someone. “Ning ren” is a glib, meddlesome talker. “He yi wei cun” asks: how could someone like that stay? He would surely leave and not remain long. “Qi shi xu” means the person has already fled and the house stands empty—he feared the Master would speak to the king of Chu and summon him from reclusion, so he left first.


The Border Guard of Changwu Questions Zilao

The border guard of Changwu asked Zilao: in governing affairs, do not be “lumaang”; in managing the people, do not be “mielie.”

In the past when I farmed: if I plowed carelessly and roughly (lumaang), the harvest repaid me in the same careless, rough way; if I weeded perfunctorily (mielie), the harvest repaid me just as perfunctorily. The next year I changed my whole approach (bian qi): I plowed deep and hoed fine, and the grain grew thick and strong—I ate my fill all year long (yan sun).

When Zhuangzi heard this he said: nowadays many who cultivate the body and tune the heart are just like what the border guard described—they turn away from nature, leave their inborn nature, extinguish genuine feeling, and lose clear spirit, taking going with the crowd as the norm. Those who treat their nature carelessly find desire and aversion tangled together like weeds; once such things sprout, they swell and distort the body, uproot and twist the nature, bursting and leaking everywhere with no telling where it will break out—superficial sores, scabies, carbuncles, and inward pus, urine, and greasy discharges are examples of that.


The Commentator’s Summary

The border guard used farming as a metaphor for governing; Zhuangzi in turn used the same story as a metaphor for learning. Su Dongpo’s Essay on Farming (Jia Shuo) is in effect written in the same vein. “Bian qi” means changing the old way of doing things and adopting a new method. “Yan sun” means eating one’s fill.

“Meng yi fu wu xing, xun zhuo wu xing, bing kui lou fa, bu ze suo chu”: once a bad thought sprouts, it props up and damages the body; it keeps pulling up and warping the nature, bursting and leaking together, with no telling where it will emerge—superficial sores, scabies, and carbuncles, and inward pus, urine, and greasy matter, are all metaphors for that condition.

封人因耕而喻政庄子又以喻学东坡稼实仿此也变齐者变易其法也厌飱饱食也以众为言世间此等人多也恶好恶也孽妖孽也好恶之害其蔽塞本然之性犹萑苇也即茅塞其心之意性既蔽塞则其昏欲之长如蒹葭之始萌充满其身言通身皆是人欲也扶助也以物欲而助其形则视听言动起居饮食皆失其自然之理故曰寻擢吾性寻渐也擢拔也始者真性只为之蔽塞及其甚也渐渐拔而去之是天理尽灭真性既失气亦为病故有并溃者有漏发者不择所出触则成病也并溃者漂疽疥痈也此脓血之病也漏发者内溲膏也今之而去之是天理尽灭真性既失气亦为病故有并溃者有漏发者不择所出触则成病也并溃者漂疽疥痈也此脓血之病也漏发者内溲膏也今之消病也此一假所以戒世人之纵情欲而不知学道者终必杀其身也 栢矩学于老聃曰请之天下游老聃曰已矣天下犹是也又请之老聃曰汝将何始曰始于齐至齐见辜人焉推而强之解朝服而幕之号天而哭之曰子乎子乎天下有大菑子独先离之曰莫为盗莫为杀人荣辱立然后睹所病货财聚然后睹所争今立人之所病聚人之所争穷困人之身使无休时欲无至此得乎
Interpretation

The keeper of the community altar used farming to speak about governing the state; Zhuangzi in turn used metaphor to speak about learning—and Su Dongpo’s Essay on Farming (Jia Shuo) was in effect written in the same spirit.

“Those who would change Qi’s ways” means changing how Qi did things (or overturning old institutions). Yan sun means eating until one is overfull; here “speaking in terms of the multitude” means that such people are very common in the world. E (evil/harm) refers to the harm of likes and dislikes: when preference and aversion act like baleful influences, they obscure our original nature, just as rushes and reeds block the road—that is, “the thatch clogs the heart.” Once nature is obscured, confusion and desire grow inside like young reeds (jian jia), until the whole person seems filled with worldly craving.

“Supporting” means propping up the bodily form with desire: seeing, hearing, speaking, moving, rising, resting, eating, and drinking all run counter to the natural order—hence “gradually they pull up my true nature.” Xun is “little by little,” zhuo is “to pull up.” At first it is only that true nature is veiled; at the extreme, true nature is as if uprooted bit by bit, and the principle of Heaven (tianli) is wholly lost. When true nature is lost, qi also turns into illness—hence conditions that “burst together” and those that “leak and break out”: touch them and sickness flares, with no knowing where it will strike. “Burst together” refers to suppurating ailments such as drifting abscess, scabies, and carbuncles; “leak and break out” refers to wasting illnesses such as internal ulceration, urinary disorders, and bone marrow decay. This is a single extended metaphor warning the world: to indulge desire and not study the Way is to bring harm upon oneself in the end.

Bo Ju asked Laozi for instruction, saying: Please let me travel through the realm. Laozi said: Never mind—the realm is the same everywhere. Bo Ju pressed again; Laozi asked: Where do you mean to begin? He said: With Qi. When he reached Qi, he saw men undergoing punishment—crowded, forced down, their court robes stripped off and thrown over them—and he lifted his face to heaven and wept loudly: “You, oh you! The realm holds great calamity, yet you are the first to suffer it.” (Laozi or Bo Ju) said: Do not steal, do not kill; only when honor and disgrace are set up can one see what people suffer; only when goods and wealth are heaped up can one see what people fight over. Now you erect what makes others suffer and gather what others contend for, trapping bodies in exhaustion with no rest—can desire stop short of that?

天下犹是者言天下皆如此莫为盗莫为杀人者言汝之所以被罪而囚者或为盗乎或为杀人乎莫为言莫是如此也荣辱名也货财利也病患害也在上者尚名而后有此患害为国好聚财而后有此争竞谓此事皆自上始也老子曰不尚贤使民不争不贵难得之货使民不为盗即此意以名后有此患害为国好聚财而后有此争竞谓此事皆自上始也老子曰不尚贤使民不争不贵难得之货使民不为盗即此意以名利而役人使之自困无时而已安得不至于此其意盖言太古之时无名无利故风俗醇厚国无刑人也 古之君人者以得为在民以失为在己以正为在民以枉为在己故一形有失其形者退而自责今则不然匿为物而愚不识大为难而罪不敢重为任而罚不胜远其涂而诛不至民知力竭则以伪继之日出多伪士民安取不伪夫力不足则伪知不足则欺财不足则盗盗窃之行于谁责而可乎
Interpretation

“The world is still like this” means that people everywhere often end up in exactly this kind of situation.

When the text speaks of those told “do not steal, do not kill”: you are sentenced and thrown into prison—is that necessarily because you stole or killed? Not always. It is not that everyone under heaven has become a thief or a murderer before such a state of affairs appears.

Honor and disgrace arise from ming (name, reputation); goods and wealth arise from li (profit, gain); illness, affliction, and disaster often grow from these as well. When those above value fame, trouble below is what follows; when the ruler is bent on amassing wealth, strife and rivalry appear. In other words, such things usually begin from above—from institutions, customs, and the prevailing ethos.

Laozi’s “Do not exalt the worthy, so that the people will not compete; do not value goods hard to obtain, so that the people will not steal” points to the same layer of meaning: driving people with fame and profit, people trap themselves with no end in sight—how could matters not evolve into what we see today?

The gist: in utmost antiquity there was no scrambling for fame and gain; customs were simple and honest, and within the state there was no need for punishments or prisons packed with inmates.

失得正枉两句即百姓有过在予一人一人之形有不得其生则人君退而自责即匹夫不被泽若已纳之沟中也今则不然者言后世也匿为物蔽其物而不言而以不知者为愚大为难行之事而以其不敢为者为罪重为任不量人之力也远其涂不被泽若已纳之沟中也今则不然者言后世也匿为物蔽其物而不言而以不知者为愚大为难行之事而以其不敢为者为罪重为任不量人之力也远其涂不计人之行程也强人所不能而乃罚其不胜者诛其不至者在上之人其所出政令一日伪于一日士民安得不伪乎强其力所不能必以伪应之强其智所不及必以欺应之过取而无厌必为盗以输之是我使之为伪为欺为盗也又谁责乎三句一体即就下句盗窃上结非惟此一句意易明亦文法也 蘧伯玉行年六十而六十化未尝不始于是之而卒诎之以非也未知今之所谓是之非五十九非也 年六十而六十化一年之见胜如一年也然安知六十岁之是便为是耶此一则话也 万物有乎生而莫见其根有乎出而莫见其门人皆尊其知之所知而莫知恃其知之所不知而后知可不谓大疑乎已乎已乎且无所逃此所谓然与然乎
Interpretation

Plain-Language Commentary

First section (On governing and artificiality)

Whether gain and loss are justified, and whether crookedness and straightness are reasonable—these two layers of meaning can be summed up in the phrase “when the people err, the fault lies in me alone”: if the ruler of a state cannot even secure the people’s basic livelihood, he ought to step down and blame himself—as if ordinary people received no kindness and were thrown into a ditch. What “it is not so today” refers to is the situation in later ages.

In later times, those in power often hide what ought to be public and say nothing, yet treat those who do not understand as fools; they themselves do difficult things to the extreme, yet treat those who dare not act as guilty; they add burdens without gauging human strength; they stretch distances without reckoning whether people can finish the journey. They force people to do what their strength cannot achieve, and punish them when they fail; they order people to reach places they cannot reach, and kill them when they do not arrive. Those above grow more hypocritical in their orders day by day—how can scholars and commoners not follow suit in hypocrisy? When people are driven to use strength they do not have, they can only meet demands with false appearances; when they are driven to use wisdom they cannot reach, they can only meet demands with deceit. When demands are endless and never satisfied, people can only steal to fill the gap—thus hypocrisy, deceit, and theft are all things we have forced upon them; whom else can we blame? The three lines ending in “whom can we hold responsible” express one layer of meaning; the line on “theft” above pulls the thread tight. It is not only here—the sense is easy to grasp, and the grammar holds together.

Second section (Qu Boyu)

Qu Boyu lived to sixty, and in those sixty years his views changed sixty times: not once without first taking something as “right,” then later revising it to “wrong.” So one cannot know whether what is taken as “right” today might in fact be the fifty-ninth “wrong.”

Oral commentary note

“Sixty years, and sixty years of change”: each year’s understanding seemed just as solid at the time; but who can guarantee that what counts as “right” at sixty is truly “right”? This is a opening for further reflection.

Third section (Knowledge, root, and gate)

The ten thousand things have life, yet one cannot see their root; they have emergence, yet one cannot see their gate. People only honor what they “know,” and do not know that relying on what knowledge cannot know is what counts as truly knowing—is this not “great doubt”? Enough, enough! Nowhere to escape—this is what is meant by “so and so” (ran yu ran), is it not?


Brief notes on proper names: Qu Boyu, a minister of Wei in the Spring and Autumn period, famed for self-examination and knowing when he had been wrong; Zhuangzi kouyi (“oral explication of the Zhuangzi”) is a line-by-line teaching commentary on the Zhuangzi, often weaving the original text together with politics and self-cultivation.

其生也必有根其出也必有门恃其知之所不知而后知可不谓大疑乎已乎已乎且无所逃此所谓然与然乎 其生也必有根其出也必有门但人不见之耳此是其所不可知者凡人知其所知而不知其所不知者乃为至妙此大惑之人也且无所逃者言自然而然不知之知通古今彻上下皆如此何处而非此理如何逃得然与然乎者后辞也谓之然欤而其所然果然乎子贡对曰然非与即此意也见卫灵公篇然与音余 仲尼问于太史大弢伯常骞狶韦曰夫卫灵公饮酒湛乐不听国家之政田猎毕弋不应诸侯之际其所以为灵公者何邪大弢曰是因是也伯常骞曰夫灵公有妻三人同滥而浴史防奉御而进所搏币而扶翼其慢若彼之甚也见贤人若此其肃也是其所以为灵公也狶韦曰夫灵公也死卜葬于故墓不吉卜葬于沙丘而吉掘之数仞得石椁焉洗而视之有铭焉曰不冯其子灵公夺而埋之贤人若此其肃也是其所以为灵公也狶韦曰夫灵公也死卜葬于故墓不吉卜葬于沙丘而吉掘之数仞得石椁焉洗而视之有铭焉曰不冯其子灵公夺而埋之夫灵公之为灵也久矣之二人何足以识之
Interpretation

Plain-Language Commentary

I. On “the Unknowable” and “Nowhere to Escape”

Everything that comes to life must have a root; everything that emerges must have a gate—only ordinary people cannot see them. That is what is meant by the unknowable. If someone judges solely by what they know and refuses to acknowledge the realm of what they do not know, they are a person of great delusion.

It also speaks of nowhere to escape: affairs unfold naturally of themselves; there is no need to flee on purpose. That knowledge which is not confined to finite knowing—which does not cling to limited knowledge yet accords with the Great Dao—runs through past and present and penetrates above and below. Everywhere it is this one principle; how could one “escape” it?

II. The Oral Sense of “Yes” and “No” (from the “Duke Ling of Wei” chapter)

Phrases like “is it really ‘yes’?” are trailing tones at the end of a sentence. To call something “yes” (right, so it is)—is what is labeled “yes” truly “yes”? When Zigong answered “yes” and “no, not quite,” he meant exactly this: between yes and no, one cannot take either side as a final verdict.

III. Confucius Asks the Grand Scribes: Why Was Duke Ling of Wei Called “Ling”?

Zhongni (Confucius) asked the grand scribes Datao, Bochangqian, and Xiwei: Duke Ling of Wei drowned himself in wine and hunting, neglected state affairs, and did not receive other lords—so why was he still called Duke Ling (“the Spirited” / “the Numinous”)?

  • Datao said: “It is because of this very thing.” (The words carry irony or a deeper point; commentators differ, but the gist is: between name and reality, things are not always as they appear on the surface.)
  • Bochangqian said: The duke had three consorts bathing in the same pool, behaving in a very casual, disrespectful way; yet when Shiyong (or Shifang, a chamber attendant) held silks and supported the duke’s arm to present him to worthy men, the duke became solemn and reverent, as if he were another person. Such respect toward the worthy—that is why he deserved the title Duke Ling.
  • Xiwei said: After Duke Ling died, divination for burial in the old tomb was inauspicious; divination for Sand Dune was auspicious. They dug several ren deep and found a stone outer coffin. When it was cleaned, there was an inscription on it, roughly meaning “Do not rely on his son.” The duke took the inscription’s intent to heart and was buried accordingly. Worthy men honored him so highly—that too is why he was called Ling. Xiwei added: Duke Ling’s being “Ling” in fact goes back a long way; Datao and Bochangqian, the two of them, saw only one facet each and were not enough to truly grasp where the “Ling” lay.

(Note: The “Ling” in Duke Ling’s name, in this passage of the Zhuangzi, is often read as goodness, quickness, capacity to align with the Dao, or the “numinosity” between name and reality—not simply “wise and brilliant” in the usual sense. The three grand scribes each speak to one aspect; the oral point is to teach people not to judge worth and folly by vulgar appearances alone.)

毕弋取鸟兽之用也诸侯交际之礼皆不应答之其人如此谥之以灵何耶言未足当其恶也大弢曰此亦因国人所同是而谥之上是字犹此字也进所进所居之处也奉御犹今言召对也搏币者执其贽见之币而灵公使人扶翼之言有礼也肃敬也沙丘石椁先有灵公之名则未生之前此名已定于人何力焉此假盖御犹今言召对也搏币者执其贽见之币而灵公使人扶翼之言有礼也肃敬也沙丘石椁先有灵公之名则未生之前此名已定于人何力焉此假盖言世事皆出于自然也之二人大弢与伯常骞也沙丘古人葬处也不冯其子者其子孙不可托遂为灵公所夺也冯托也 少知问于太公调曰何谓丘里之言太公调曰丘里者合十姓百名而以为风俗也合异以为同散同以为异今指马之百体而不得马而马系于前者立其百体而谓之马也是故丘山积卑而为高江河合水而为大大人合并而为公是以自外入者有主而不执由中出者有正而不距四时殊气天不赐故岁成五官殊职君不私故国治文武大人不赐故德备万物殊理道不私故无名无名故无为无为而无不为时有终始世有变化祸福淳淳【如字】至有所拂者而有所宜自殉殊面有所正者有所差比于大泽百材皆度观乎大山木石同坛此之谓丘里之言
Interpretation

Plain-Language Reading of Zhuangzi Kouyi (Oral Explication of the Zhuangzi)

On Duke Ling of Wei and the Posthumous Title “Ling”

People who trap birds and beasts for human use are one sort of example. When feudal lords exchanged visits, custom called for a fitting response; Duke Ling refused every time. A man like that still received the posthumous name “Ling” (Spiritlike)—how does that make sense? Because written words still cannot exhaust how bad he was.

Dayin said: This too was a posthumous title the people as a whole agreed on. The graph for “superior” and the word “this” can be read as equivalent here. “Advance” means where one advances or dwells. “Attending the ruler” is like today’s being summoned to audience and reply. “Clasping the gift” is holding the presentation gift for a meeting. Duke Ling had to be supported yet still showed some ritual and reverence. On the stone outer coffin at Shaqiu the name “Duke Ling” was already there—as if the name were fixed before he was born. What human power could fix that? This is a parable: affairs often arise from nature, not from human force.

Dayin, Bo Changqian, and Shaqiu

“The two men” means Dayin and Bo Changqian. Shaqiu was an ancient burial ground. “Not entrusting it to his son” means not leaving the matter to his son—his descendants were unfit to be entrusted with it, and Duke Ling took it from them. “Entrust” (feng) is “to commit to another’s care” (tuo).

Shaozhi Asks About “Words of the Hill-Mound”

Shaozhi asked Grand Duke Diao: What are “words of the hill-mound” (qiuli zhi yan)?

Grand Duke Diao said: “Hill-mound” (qiu li) means combining the surnames of ten families and the names of a hundred families into one local custom. It merges difference into sameness and scatters sameness into difference. If you only point to each part of a horse’s body, you never get “horse”; tie the horse at the front, take in the hundred parts as one, and call it horse—that is horse. So a hill grows high from piled low places; rivers grow great from combined waters; the great person merges and becomes public (gong). What enters from outside has a master yet does not cling; what goes out from within has a standard yet does not reject. The four seasons differ in qi; Heaven does not favor one, so the year completes. The five offices differ in duty; the ruler does not play favorites, so the state is governed. Wen and Wu differ in use; the great person does not favor one side, so virtue is complete. The myriad things differ in principle; the Dao does not play favorites, hence it has no name. With no name, there is wuwei (non-action); in wuwei, nothing is not done.

Time has order from beginning to end; the age changes; fortune and misfortune arrive mixed together (read chunchun by the characters). Where something goes against the flow, something else still fits; where one sacrifices for appearance, something still goes straight and something still goes awry. Compared to a great marsh, every kind of timber can be measured; viewed from a great mountain, wood and stone share one altar—this is what is called “words of the hill-mound.”

聚井为丘聚丘为里故曰丘里一里之中有十姓百名人者而有所宜自殉殊面有所正者有所差比于大泽百材皆度观乎大山木石同坛此之谓丘里之言 聚井为丘聚丘为里故曰丘里一里之中有十姓百名人物虽异而风俗则同合异以为同之喻也丘里之言者公一里之言也合异以为同万物同一理也散同以为异物物各具一理也合百体以为马一体之上无马之名此散同以为异也立其百体乃谓之马合异以为同也积而为山合而为水亦此意也合并而为公合万物之异以为同也有主而不执也言所主虽在内而无所执执则非自然矣正者万物之理也出乎胸中者其理与万物同则自然相顺而不相距也不执不拒乃顺自然而无同异之意天不赐不以为功也犹言非相为赐也五官列爵惟五也各职其职君何私轻重焉大人于文武之德时乎而文时乎而武可用则用亦非相与赐也故为全备之德万物各具一理故曰殊理以大道合五官列爵惟五也各职其职君何私轻重焉大人于文武之德时乎而文时乎而武可用则用亦非相与赐也故为全备之德万物各具一理故曰殊理以大道合之而为公故曰不私无名者无得而名也淳淳流行自然也吉凶祸福之至倚伏无常或有所拂逆而反为宜塞翁得马失马之意也拂逆也不如意也宜如意也人有自殉之心则如其面然皆不同矣有所正者执定而拘泥之也有所泥者或失之即今人谓拟则差也故曰有所正者有所差比譬也譬如大泽之中百物之材各中其度无小无大皆可用也同坛即同地也木之与石本在一山初何分别此正者有所差比譬也譬如大泽之中百物之材各中其度无小无大皆可用也同坛即同地也木之与石本在一山初何分别此合异以为同也
Interpretation

Gather many wells into an earthen mound, then gather those mounds into a neighborhood lane—that is why it is called “qiu li” (mound-and-neighborhood). Within one li there may be people of ten surnames and a hundred given names; the persons differ, yet their customs can still align. That image stands for “merging difference into sameness.”

“The words of qiu li” are the shared public judgment of that neighborhood: to synthesize differences into one sameness is to say that the ten thousand things share one principle; to split one sameness into many differences is to say that each thing has its own principle.

“Combine a hundred bodily parts and call it a horse—on any single part there is no name ‘horse’”—that is splitting sameness into difference. Only when those hundred parts are established as a whole do we call it a horse; that is merging difference into sameness. Amassing the small to form a mountain and merging streams to form water carry the same point: merger yields what is public, synthesizing the differences of the ten thousand things into one sameness.

To have what one takes as master yet not cling: what is mastered may lie within, but one must not be stubborn; the moment one clings, it is no longer natural. What is called “upright” (zheng) is the principle of the ten thousand things. When the principle that rises from the breast-mind matches the ten thousand things, one naturally goes along with them instead of pushing against them. Neither clinging nor rejecting is what accords with nature, without forcibly dividing sameness and difference in the mind.

Heaven does not “bestow” anything, nor do things bestow on one another. The five senses each hold their place—only these five, each doing its work—so why should a ruler show partiality in weighing one against another? The great person’s De in culture and in martial strength—when the time calls for culture, culture; when it calls for martial strength, martial strength; use what can be used—not as if one party were gifting another—and that is why such De is complete. Each of the ten thousand things has its own principle, hence “distinct principles”; merging them through the great Dao into what is public, hence “not private.”

“Without name” means there is nothing from which to fix a name; pure, flowing circulation is just ziran, spontaneous nature. Fortune and misfortune, blessing and calamity, arrive in mutual turning without a fixed pattern. Sometimes what looks contrary turns out fitting—as in the old frontier tale of losing a horse and gaining a horse: “contrary” means not as one wishes; “fitting” means as one wishes.

If people harbor the heart of “dying for one’s own view”—each clinging to a private opinion—they are like faces, no two alike. If one holds something as “correct” and fixes on it, or clings somewhere, then “taking one thing as the model misses the mark”—hence “where there is something taken as correct, there is deviation.”

Think of a great marsh: materials of the hundred creatures each hit their measure; nothing too small or too large but can be put to use. “Same mound” means sharing one ground; wood and stone originally belonged to one mountain—at first, when were they ever split apart? That is exactly the sense of merging difference into sameness.

少知曰然则谓之道足乎太公调曰不然今计物之数不止于万物而期曰万物者以数之多者号而读之也是故天地者形之大者也阴阳者气之大者也道者为之公因其大以号而读之则可也已有之矣乃将得比哉则若以斯辩譬犹狗马其不及远矣 物不止于万而言万物其总数也期约也约言之也天地阴阳亦形气之揔名尔形气不止于天地阴阳但以其大者言之道之为公亦因其大而借言之耳虽已有道之名而亦岂可以此尔形气不止于天地阴阳但以其大者言之道之为公亦因其大而借言之耳虽已有道之名而亦岂可以此相比喻而言邪故曰已有之矣乃将得比哉狗马不可为者也斯此也因道之名若以相比并而为此辩则如犬马之异不可得而合也不及不相若也远甚也 少知曰四方之内六合之里万物之所生恶起太公调曰阴阳相照相盖相治四时相代相生相杀欲恶去就于是桥起雌雄片合于是庸有安危相易祸福相生缓急相摩聚散以成此名实之可纪精之可志也随序之相理桥运之相使穷则反终于是桥起雌雄片合于是庸有安危相易祸福相生缓急相摩聚散以成此名实之可纪精之可志也随序之相理桥运之相使穷则反终则始此物之所有言之所尽知之所至极物而已睹道之人不随其所废不原其所起此议之所止
Interpretation

Shaozhi asked: If that is so, is it enough to take “Dao” as one overarching name?

Taigong Diao answered: No, it is not enough. When we count things, the count does not stop at the single label “the myriad things”; people agree by custom to use the largest number-word in the series and call everything “the myriad things.” Thus Heaven and Earth are the greatest names among forms; Yin and Yang are the greatest names among qi. “Dao” is a shared designation—it may also be spoken of by borrowing the word “great.” Once the name is already there, can anything else still be brought in for comparison? If you argue by such forced analogies, it is like insisting that dogs and horses belong to one kind—they simply do not fit together; the gap is far too wide.


Things are not limited to “ten thousand”; saying “the myriad things” is a rounded, summary way of speaking. Heaven and Earth too are only the great names of form and qi; form and qi are not exhausted by Heaven and Earth and Yin and Yang—we merely take what is largest and speak of that. That “Dao” is common to all is likewise a borrowing of “great” as a way of naming. Although the name “Dao” already exists, how could form, qi, and the like be used for comparison? Hence “once it is already there, how could one still get something to compare it with?”—dogs and horses cannot be treated as the same species. If one argues by matching the name “Dao” to other things for comparison, it is like the difference between dog and horse: they do not align; “not reaching” means not being alike, and “far” means being very far apart.


Shaozhi asked: Within the four directions and in the midst of the six directions, where is the source from which the myriad things are born?

Taigong Diao answered: Yin and Yang mirror each other, cover and conceal each other, and govern each other; the four seasons alternate, beget and destroy each other; liking and disliking, going and staying, arise from this in tumult; male and female part and join from this; then ease and danger exchange places, fortune and misfortune give birth to each other, urgency and slackness rub against each other, gathering and scattering complete each other. That names and realities can be recorded and subtle meanings can be kept in mind all stem from here. Following order they govern one another, turning and serving like bridges at a crossing; when exhausted they reverse, when ended they begin—things exhaust themselves here, words exhaust themselves here, knowing exhausts itself here; at the limit it is still only “things.” Those who see Dao do not follow what has been discarded, do not trace to the root of beginnings—the boundary of discourse stops here.

万物之生从何而始故曰恶起相照相应也相盖相合也相治相消长也四时相代春生秋杀随时各有不同也因此于后有欲恶去就雌雄分合安危祸福缓急聚散之事谓因有天地阴阳而后有人世之事也凡此数者皆是其同中之异者桥然而起桥拱高也片判也片合即分合也庸有常有也以成即相成之意但换下一字文法也自欲恶而下至于聚散其名实皆可纪其精微皆可志谓件件可见非惟可言亦可书也随其时序而相理即阴阳之相治也桥起也桥起而运相为消长故曰相使穷而反为通终而复为始此散其名实皆可纪其精微皆可志谓件件可见非惟可言亦可书也随其时序而相理即阴阳之相治也桥起也桥起而运相为消长故曰相使穷而反为通终而复为始此皆万物之所必有者言而至于尽亦此而已知而及其至亦此而已尽心尽力只得个物字故曰极物而已惟知道之人则于其所以废所以起者皆归之于无皆归之自然则其言议至于此而止谓到这里无可处矣 少知曰季真之莫为接子之或使二家之议孰正于其情孰偏于其理太公调曰鸡鸣狗吠是人之所知虽有大知不能以言读其所自化人不能以意其所将为斯而于其理太公调曰鸡鸣狗吠是人之所知虽有大知不能以言读其所自化人不能以意其所将为斯而析之精至于无伦大至于不可围或之使莫之为未免于物而终以为过
Interpretation

Section One

From what moment do we count something as “having life”? Zhuangzi begins from opposition and mutual response: things mirror and answer one another, cover and fit together, check and wax or wane. Spring birth and autumn killing, the four seasons turning in their proper order—thus arise the affairs of human life: desire and aversion, going and staying, female and male, parting and joining, safety and danger, fortune and calamity, slack and haste, gathering and scattering. All of this is said to follow from Heaven-and-earth and yin-yang, and then from human affairs. Each of these is “difference within sameness”: like an arch that rises and splits, divides yet joins again; the ordinary holds a constant way; things complete one another—only the words change.

From desire and aversion through to gathering and scattering, names and realities can all be recorded and the details told: each item can be seen, not only spoken but written. Adjusting to one another along the seasons is the mutual ordering of yin and yang; rising, turning, pushing and pulling in mutual waxing and waning is called “mutual sending.” Exhaustion leads to passage; ending begins again—the cycle is like this. These are necessities that all things have: in the end it is no more than this; at the limit of knowing it is no more than this. Exhaust heart and strength, and what is grasped is still the word “thing”—hence “reaching things and no more.”

Only one who “knows the Way” assigns what is discarded and what arises to “nothing,” to spontaneity (ziran); discussion stops here—beyond this there is nothing to take hold of.


Section Two (The Debate between Shaozhi and Taigong Diao)

Shaozhi said: The school of Jizhen holds “no doing” (mo wei)—no external master; the school of Jiezi holds “perhaps there is a driver” (huo shi)—perhaps something drives. Which side fits the facts better, and which leans to one extreme?

Taigong Diao said: Cock crow and dog bark—everyone can tell them apart; even the greatest wisdom cannot fully read in words how they “transform themselves,” nor fix by intent what they “are about to become.”—If one analyzes further on this level of principle, fine beyond compare, vast beyond enclosing, then “perhaps a driver” and “no doing” still cannot escape the level of “things”; in the end they will be seen as a bias, a fault.

季真接子当时有此二人各为其一曰莫为一曰或使莫为者言防防之中初无主宰皆偶然尔或使者有主宰无非使然所谓行或使之止或尼之是也正于其情正得其实也偏于其理见之偏也二者孰当孰否也鸡鸣狗吠不同之喻也言人所知既有不同则虽有大智之人亦不能尽其言亦不能尽其意所自化者言其所自见之妙读犹诵也其自见之妙岂能诵其言而知之所将为所欲为也其所欲为之意岂能以意度之斯其言亦不能尽其意所自化者言其所自见之妙读犹诵也其自见之妙岂能诵其言而知之所将为所欲为也其所欲为之意岂能以意度之斯者此理也若以此理而分析之可以语大可以语小言不可穷也无伦小之极不可围大之极也二者之皆未免于物累而要终皆有过患言其皆有节病也 或使则实莫为则虚有名有实是物之居无名无实在物之虚可言可意言而愈疏 或使则实者谓防防之中有物以司之是实也莫为则虚者谓防防之中本无所主是虚也既有实则与名俱矣则是累于物矣居者在也言在于物之中也故曰是物之居若谓之无则名实俱无而所谓无者终在未能并与无者无之亦是累于物也故曰在物之虚大抵曰有曰无皆可以言传可以意度皆未免于言则去道愈疏远矣 未生不可忌已死不可阻死生非远也理不可睹忌者禁也未生之初不容不生既生而死岂可道愈疏远矣
Interpretation

This passage discusses two opposing worldviews in the Zhuangzi and the problems each entails.

Two Positions

At the time, two thinkers—Jizhen and Jiezi—each held a view. One was “nothing does it” (mo wei): all things in primordial chaos have no master; everything is contingent. The other was “something makes it so” (huo shi): there is a master behind things and necessity in events—“going, perhaps something makes it go; stopping, perhaps something makes it stay” expresses this. From the angle of qing (how things feel and appear), each can seem plausible; but if you cling to one side of li (principle), you see only half the picture. Which is more right or wrong? Like a cock crowing and a dog barking—they differ, and human knowledge is limited. Even someone of great wisdom cannot exhaust it in words or fully grasp it in thought.

“Self-transformation” and the limits of words and intent

Self-transformation (zihua) means the subtle way things manifest on their own. Here “du” is close to “reciting.” The subtlety of self-transformation cannot be understood by reciting a few phrases; what a person is about to do or intends in the mind cannot be fully captured by guessing at intent alone. So words cannot exhaust meaning, and meaning cannot exhaust the subtlety of self-transformation. Using this reasoning, one can speak of the large or the small, but discourse never finishes. Whether the focus is the infinitesimal (what cannot be enclosed) or the vast, both views still rest on the form of things (wuxiang)—in the end each has a flaw; the author says they “each have a sticking point” (jie bing).

“Something makes it so,” “nothing does it,” and the named and the nameless

“Something makes it so” leans real (shi): in primordial chaos there seems to be something in charge, so it is called real. “Nothing does it” leans empty (xu): in primordial chaos there is no master, so it is called empty. Once you fix on the real, name and reality bind together and you are burdened by things—“ju” means “to rest in”; name and reality both rest in things, hence “dwelling in things” (wu zhi ju). If you say “nothing,” name and reality are both absent, but that “nothing” still occupies a place—you cannot erase it together with “nothing”—and you are still weighed down by things, hence “emptiness within things” (zai wu zhi xu). In short, whether you speak of “being” or “non-being,” both can be put into words and grasped in thought; yet once fixed in language, you drift further from the Dao.

Life, death, and principle

What is not yet born cannot be forcibly forbidden from being born; what is already dead cannot be forcibly kept from dying. Birth and death are not far apart in themselves, but li (principle) is not something the eye sees directly. “Ji” means to forbid: before birth it is not that birth is “not allowed”; once born, when the time to die comes, human power cannot block it.

未生不可忌已死不可阻死生非远也理不可睹忌者禁也未生之初不容不生既生而死岂可得而违阻也死生之理本在目前初非甚远但欲见而不可见故曰理不可睹 或之使莫之为疑之所假吾观之本其往无穷吾求之末其来无止无穷无止言之无也与物同理 若以为或之使若以为莫之为则世之疑情方假此而起又安得为无累乎本始也未动之时也即未动之时观之已见其往者无穷矣末终也既动而止之时也就其既止之时而观之已见其方来者无止以此而观但泯于无言方可合万物而同一理故曰言之时观之已见其往者无穷矣末终也既动而止之时也就其既止之时而观之已见其方来者无止以此而观但泯于无言方可合万物而同一理故曰言之无也与物同理 或使莫为言之本也与物终始道不可有有不可无道之为名所假而行或使莫为在物一曲夫胡为于大方二者之言推求其本谓之或使谓之莫为皆未能远离于物但见与物终始而已故曰与物终始不能离物则是有也谓之道可有乎故曰道不可有既曰有则所谓有者何可得而无之言离不去也故曰有不可无若以真实而观道之一字本是假名以行于世故曰道之为名所假而行二者之言皆为泥物而在于一偏安得谓之大道一曲一偏也大方大道也既结了上面话却别两句又妙
Interpretation

Wengong Daoism (also called Tongjiao, the “Universal Teaching”) is a Daoist lineage that takes Lingbao as its doctrinal root. Its scriptures are organized into five classics—the Changes, Documents, Poetry, Rites, and Spring and Autumn—together with the Sanhuang (Three Sovereigns) and Basu (Eight Pure) texts, and the Three Caverns (San Dong). The Taiji Upper Cavern (Taiji shang dong) holds the Taiji Dongzhen Jing, the Taiji Dongxuan Jing, and the Taiji Dongzhen Shangjing. The Taiji Middle Cavern (Taiji zhong dong) holds the Taiji Zhongzhen Jing, the Taiji Zhongxuan Jing, and the Taiji Zhongzhen Shangjing. The Taiji Lower Cavern (Taiji xia dong) holds the Taiji Xiazhen Jing, the Taiji Xiaxuan Jing, and the Taiji Xiazhen Shangjing. The Upper Cavern of the Three Sovereigns (Sanhuang shang dong) holds the Sanhuang Shangzhen Jing, the Sanhuang Shangxuan Jing, and the Sanhuang Shangzhen Shangjing. The Middle Cavern of the Three Sovereigns (Sanhuang zhong dong) holds the Sanhuang Zhongzhen Jing, the Sanhuang Zhongxuan Jing, and the Sanhuang Zhongzhen Shangjing. The Lower Cavern of the Three Sovereigns (Sanhuang xia dong) holds the Sanhuang Xiazhen Jing, the Sanhuang Xiaxuan Jing, and the Sanhuang Xiazhen Shangjing. The Upper Cavern of the Eight Pure (Basu shang dong) holds the Basu Shangzhen Jing, the Basu Shangxuan Jing, and the Basu Shangzhen Shangjing. The Middle Cavern of the Eight Pure (Basu zhong dong) holds the Basu Zhongzhen Jing, the Basu Zhongxuan Jing, and the Basu Zhongzhen Shangjing. The Lower Cavern of the Eight Pure (Basu xia dong) holds the Basu Xiazhen Jing, the Basu Xiaxuan Jing, and the Basu Xiazhen Shangjing. The Upper Cavern of the Five Classics (Wujing shang dong) holds the Wujing Shangzhen Jing, the Wujing Shangxuan Jing, and the Wujing Shangzhen Shangjing. The Middle Cavern of the Five Classics (Wujing zhong dong) holds the Wujing Zhongzhen Jing, the Wujing Zhongxuan Jing, and the Wujing Zhongzhen Shangjing. The Lower Cavern of the Five Classics (Wujing xia dong) holds the Wujing Xiazhen Jing, the Wujing Xiaxuan Jing, and the Wujing Xiazhen Shangjing. The Upper Cavern of the Three Caverns (San Dong shang dong) holds the San Dong Shangzhen Jing, the San Dong Shangxuan Jing, and the San Dong Shangzhen Shangjing. The Middle Cavern of the Three Caverns (San Dong zhong dong) holds the San Dong Zhongzhen Jing, the San Dong Zhongxuan Jing, and the San Dong Zhongzhen Shangjing. The Lower Cavern of the Three Caverns (San Dong xia dong) holds the San Dong Xiazhen Jing, the San Dong Xiaxuan Jing, and the San Dong Xiazhen Shangjing. The Upper Cavern of the Supreme Ultimate (Taiji shang dong)—already listed above—is paired with the Middle and Lower Taiji caverns in the same threefold pattern of zhen, xuan, and shang scriptures.

This lineage traces its transmission through Lingbao masters and emphasizes universal communication (tong) between heaven, earth, and humanity—hence the name Tongjiao. Ritual and cultivation follow Lingbao forms: repentance, merit, and salvation for the living and the dead. Wengong here refers to the tradition associated with Wengong as patriarch or place-name in local histories; details vary by region, but the core is Lingbao scripture and San Dong classification.

Practitioners study the five classics and Three Caverns as the framework of doctrine; Sanhuang and Basu texts supplement the canon. Upper, middle, and lower caverns correspond to grades of teaching and levels of initiation—not always mapped one-to-one to Dongzhen, Dongxuan, and Dongshen in other lineages, but structurally parallel the Three Caverns scheme.

In summary, Wengong Daoism / Tongjiao is a Lingbao-rooted tradition with a large classified canon (Taiji, Sanhuang, Basu, Wujing, San Dong), stressing tong (communication and pervasion) as its distinctive label, while sharing Lingbao ritual, soteriology, and Three Caverns organization with broader Lingbao and Shangqing-influenced Daoism.

言而足则终日言而尽道言而不足则终日言而尽物道物之极言默不足以载非言非默议有所极 同乎此言也但我果有所见虽谓之言亦可终日言而尽道言而不足则终日言而尽物道物之极言默不足以载非言非默议有所极 同乎此言也但我果有所见虽谓之言亦可尽道终日言之亦自不妨故曰言而足终日言而尽道若我无所见则言不足以尽道言之纵多亦不离于形似而已故曰言而不足终日言之而尽物道精也物粗也以精粗之极而求之言亦不足尽默亦不足尽载在也谓不在此也非言非默之中自有至极之议极议至言也佛氏所谓如我按指海印发光似汝举心尘劳先起即此意也又曰我为法王于法自在盖言造道之人亦是不亦是汝未造道便得是也不是此篇亦与内篇何异 杂篇外物第二十六 外物不可必故龙逢诛比干戮箕子狂恶来死桀纣亡人主莫不欲其臣之忠而忠未必信故伍员流于江苌死于蜀藏其血三年而化为碧人亲莫不欲其子之孝而孝未必爱故孝已忧而曾参悲 外物身外之事也非求在我者也桀纣之时贤者不肖者血三年而化为碧人亲莫不欲其子之孝而孝未必爱故孝已忧而曾参悲
Interpretation

Passages Related to Zhuangzi Kouyi (Oral Explanations of Zhuangzi)

On “Words That Suffice” and “Words That Fall Short”

“Words that suffice” and “words that fall short” mean this: if you truly have inner realization, then even if you speak all day, what you say is the Dao; if you lack genuine insight, no matter how long you talk, you only circle around things. The Dao and concrete things differ in fineness and coarseness; neither speech alone nor silence alone can hold the whole picture. It is in the space between “not speaking and not staying silent” that the most apt understanding arises. Buddhists often say, “When I point, the sea seal emits light; when you raise a thought, worldly dust stirs first”—the idea is much the same. They also say, “I am king of the Dharma, free in the Dharma.” One who has attained the Way can use even “is” and “is not” with ease; before that attainment, treating “is” as an absolute standard is already a bias. This chapter and the inner chapters share one spirit.


Miscellaneous Chapters: Outer Things, Section 26 (Excerpt)

External Things Cannot Be Relied Upon as Fixed

What lies outside the self was never something you could fully control. Thus Long Feng was killed, Bi Gan’s heart was cut out, Jizi feigned madness, and E Lai was executed; Jie and Zhou lost their states. Rulers all want loyal ministers, yet loyalty is not necessarily believed—Wu Yun (Wu Zixu) was ordered to die and his body floated on the river; Chang Hong was unjustly killed in Shu, and his blood was said to lie hidden for three years until it turned green. Parents all want filial children, yet filial piety does not necessarily win affection—Xiao Ji lived in worry and pain, and Zeng Shen often carried sorrow.


Brief Notes on Proper Names

TermNote
Long Feng, Bi Gan, Jizi, E LaiMinisters and favorites under Jie of Xia and Zhou of Shang; most met tragic ends
Wu Yuan (Wu Zixu)Grandee of Wu; his remonstrance went unheeded and he was eventually ordered to die
Chang HongA Zhou minister, unjustly killed; legend says his blood turned green after three years
Xiao Ji, Zeng ShenFamous in antiquity for filial piety, yet still knew worry, fear, and grief
外物身外之事也非求在我者也桀纣之时贤者不肖者均于被祸是不可必也此皆纣事却并桀以意逆之可也苌被放归蜀刳肠而死蜀人以匮盛血三年而化为碧玉此事与左传所载稍异其言似诞晋元帝托运粮不至而杀其臣其血逆柱而上齐以明月之防杀斛律光其血在地去之不灭则亦世间所有之事也孝已殷高宗之子见逐于后母曾子未见悲泣之事想以芸大杖则走之事言之读此书者但观其意若此皆不必拘盖谓忠孝人之所贵而或害其身是皆外物不可必也 木与木相摩则然金与火相守则流阴阳错行则天地大絯【音骇】于是乎有雷有霆水中其意若此皆不必拘盖谓忠孝人之所贵而或害其身是皆外物不可必也 木与木相摩则然金与火相守则流阴阳错行则天地大絯【音骇】于是乎有雷有霆水中有火乃焚大槐 木与木相摩则其火自出今舟人用榆栁亦然火与金相守销镕之事也木本无火相摩而生金为至坚见火而流亦言不可必之意大絯大异也大雷雨之时或焚树木故曰水中有火乃焚大槐不曰他木而曰槐者槐能生火故以槐言之淮南子曰老槐生火见汜论篇亦非专焚大槐也此皆阴阳错行而为灾事之不常见者亦言其不可必也 有甚忧两陷而无所逃螴【音陈又大槐也此皆阴阳错行而为灾事之不常见者亦言其不可必也
Interpretation

External Things (Matters Outside Oneself)

Matters outside oneself were never something one could “obtain” by seeking within the heart. In the age of Jie and Zhou, the worthy and the unworthy alike met with disaster—showing that fortune and misfortune cannot be settled in advance. The text was originally about Zhou, yet Jie is brought in as well; that follows the drift of the argument in writing, and may be understood in that way.

Chang Hong (a grandee of Zhou, famed for loyalty and integrity) was sent back to Shu in exile and died from disembowelment; the people of Shu kept his blood in a small chest, and three years later it turned into green jade. This differs slightly from the account in the Zuozhuan and sounds like a fantastic tale. Under Emperor Yuan of Jin, a minister was executed because grain shipments failed to arrive; his blood flowed upward against a pillar. In Northern Qi, at Mingyue Fort, Hu Liguang (a famous general of Northern Qi) was killed; his blood fell on the ground and could not be wiped away—such things do occur in the world. Xiaoji was a son of King Gaozong (Wu Ding) of Yin, driven away by his stepmother; Zengzi (Zeng Shen) is not recorded in history as “weeping in grief”—that likely draws on stories such as “when Zeng used the staff heavily, the child would run.” When reading this book, one need only grasp the main intent; examples like those above need not be pinned down line by line. The overall point: loyalty and filial piety are honored by people, yet can sometimes harm the body—these are all “external things”; one cannot count on them turning out a certain way.


Yin and Yang Stimulating Each Other and Calamity

When wood rubs against wood, fire appears; when metal and fire stay together, the metal melts and runs. When yin and yang run in disorder, heaven and earth undergo great upheaval (“da gai,” near in sound to “hai,” meaning great change and great chaos)—then come thunder and lightning; fire can even appear in water, and so the great locust tree burns.


The Commentator’s Explanation

Wood by itself has no fire; rub it and fire is born—today’s shipwrights use elm and willow to kindle fire by the same principle. Metal dwelling with fire refers to melting. Wood originally has no fire yet fires when rubbed; metal is utmost hard yet flows when it meets fire—both express the idea of “nothing is certain.” “Da gai” means great anomaly, great disorder. In violent thunderstorms, trees are sometimes struck and burn, hence “fire in water” burning the great locust. Other trees are not named, only the locust, because the locust was thought capable of producing fire—hence the special mention. The Huainanzi, “Generalities,” also has “old locust gives birth to fire”; it is not that only the great locust burns. All these are calamities and prodigies from disordered yin and yang—uncommon—and again show that affairs in the world cannot be counted on.


Anxiety, Fear, and Being Trapped (Fragment)

Extreme anxiety is like falling into a double bind with nowhere to escape… (The following text involves “chan” and similar terms; the original breaks off here, and the oral commentary does not continue.)


Main Thread to Hold When Reading This Passage of Oral Commentary

External things are not certain: loyalty, filial piety, reputation, and political fate are never entirely within one’s own control. History and fable are used together: Chang Hong, Xiaoji, Zengzi, Emperor Yuan of Jin, Hu Liguang, and others illustrate that good people may also meet disaster. Natural anomalies serve as metaphor: wood rubbing gives fire, metal meeting fire runs, thunder and lightning burn the locust—all “yin and yang running awry,” likening how human affairs likewise cannot be reckoned by ordinary reason. Method of reading: the oral commentary explicitly says one need not insist every allusion match the historical records perfectly; what matters is how Zhuangzi (and the speaker) uses these cases to show the layer of meaning called “nothing is certain.”

有甚忧两陷而无所逃螴【音陈又楮允反】蜳【音惇又敕转柱允二反】不得成心若县于天地之间慰暋【音泯又音昏】沈屯【张伦反】利害相摩生火甚多众人焚和月固不胜火于是乎有僓【音颓】然而道尽 甚忧者极忧也两陷非有人道之患则有阴阳之患也人间世云是两也即此意螴蜳者怵惕不自安之意不得成者言甚忧无所逃而不成情绪也心若县于天地之间言心有系自苦也慰暋郁闷也沈屯陷溺险难也利害相战于胸中其蜳者怵惕不自安之意不得成者言甚忧无所逃而不成情绪也心若县于天地之间言心有系自苦也慰暋郁闷也沈屯陷溺险难也利害相战于胸中其内也甚于焦火故曰生火甚多此皆世俗一等不知道之人不知外物之不可必而过用其心故至此焚伤其胸中至和之气故曰众人焚和月性也众人之生其得于天者全此至和之理犹如月然但为物欲所昏其炎如火故其为月者不能胜之遂至于焚和也山谷云本心如日月利欲蚀之既正用此意僓然者弛然而自放也道尽者言其天理灭尽也盖谓众人汨于利欲终身不悟至于灭尽天理而后己也
Interpretation

General Meaning of the Passage (Zhuangzi Original)

When worry and fear reach an extreme, a person falls into “double entrapment” with nowhere to flee; inwardly they are as restless as the skittish insect chicheng, unable to settle the mind— the heart seems suspended between heaven and earth. Dull depression and being mired in peril; benefit and harm grind against each other in the chest, producing much “fire,” and the multitude then burn away the harmony (he) they originally possessed. The original mind is like the bright moon, yet profit and desire corrode it; when that is so, the moon-nature naturally cannot suppress that fire, and one can only let oneself go yiran in release—until the natural principle of Heaven is exhausted.

Commentary

“Extreme worry” means fear and anxiety pushed to the limit. “Double entrapment” refers to nothing other than two kinds of trouble: calamities in human affairs, and calamities of yin-yang and circumstance—the “two” spoken of in Human Affairs (Renjian shi) is exactly this. “Chicheng” depicts someone timid and unsettled, unable to find stillness. “Cannot be achieved” (bu de cheng) means that when fear runs too deep and there is no escape, the mind cannot hold steady. “The heart as if suspended between heaven and earth” means the heart is tied to externals and at odds with itself. “Weimin” is gloom and stagnation; “shentun” is being stuck in danger, unable to pull free. Benefit and harm battling in the chest is inner friction fiercer than scorching fire—hence “much fire is kindled.” All of this describes people in the world who do not understand the Dao: they do not know that outer things cannot be certainly obtained, yet they strain their minds to the utmost and land in this state—they burn away the supreme harmony in the chest, hence “the multitude burn harmony.” “The moon” stands for the nature received from Heaven; the crowd originally had this moon-like harmony, but sensual desire taints it, the blaze of fire rises, moon-nature cannot check the fire, and harmony is consumed. Huang Tingjian’s line “The original mind is like sun and moon; profit and desire eat into it” uses precisely this image. “Yiran” is a relaxed, self-releasing attitude of letting things be. “Dao jin” means the natural principle of Heaven is worn away to the end. In sum: the multitude drown in profit and desire, never awakening their whole lives, until they grind the natural principle of Heaven to nothing—only then do they stop.

庄子家贫故往贷粟于日月利欲蚀之既正用此意僓然者弛然而自放也道尽者言其天理灭尽也盖谓众人汨于利欲终身不悟至于灭尽天理而后己也 庄子家贫故往贷粟于监河侯监河侯曰诺我将得邑金将贷子三百金可乎庄周忿然作色曰周昨来有中道而呼者周顾视车辙中有鲋鱼焉周问之曰鲋鱼来子何为者邪对曰我东海之波臣也君岂有斗升之水而活我哉周曰诺我且南游吴越之王激西江之水而迎子可乎鲋鱼忿然作色曰吾失我常与我无所处吾得斗升之水然活耳君乃言此曾不如早索我于枮鱼之肆 监河侯苑曰魏文侯也亦未必然或是监河之官以侯称之不然则侯是其姓也邑金者采邑之租金也波臣犹曰水官也此段必当时有此戏言因记于此亦今人所谓远水不救近火之意枯鱼之肆者言待得此水之来吾己为鱐矣常与常时相与者也 任公子为大钩巨缁五十戏言因记于此亦今人所谓远水不救近火之意枯鱼之肆者言待得此水之来吾己为鱐矣常与常时相与者也 任公子为大钩巨缁五十犗以为饵蹲乎会稽投竿东海旦旦而钓期年不得鱼已而大鱼食之牵巨钩防没而下惊扬而奋鬐白波若山海水震荡声侔神惮赫千里任公子得若鱼离而腊之自制河以东苍梧以北莫不厌若鱼者已而后世辁才讽之徒皆惊而相吿也夫揭竿累趋灌渎守鲵鲋其于得大鱼难矣饰小以干县令其于大达亦远矣是以未尝闻任氏之风俗其不可与经于世亦远矣
Interpretation

1. Borrowing Grain from the Overseer of the River

Zhuangzi’s household was poor, so he went to the Overseer of the River to borrow grain. The overseer said, “Fine—when the rent from my fief comes in, I’ll lend you three hundred gold pieces. Will that do?”

Zhuangzi’s face changed; he was very displeased, and told a story: “Yesterday on the road I heard someone call me. I looked back—it was a crucian carp in a rut in the wheel track. I asked, ‘What do you want?’ It said, ‘I am a subject of the water in the Eastern Sea. Could you give me a dipper or a pint of water so I can live?’ I said, ‘Fine. I’ll go south at once to persuade the kings of Wu and Yue to open the waters of the Western River to escort you home. How about that?’ The carp’s face changed too: ‘I’ve lost the water I normally rely on to survive; I have nowhere to go. A dipper or a pint would keep me alive. You talk like that—you might as well look for me early at the dried-fish shop; by then I’ll long be dried fish.’”

Commentary: Some identify the Overseer of the River with King Wen of Wei—that is not necessarily correct. He may have been an official in charge of the river, called “Lord” (hou) by courtesy; or “Hou” was simply his surname. “Fief gold” (yijin) means rent collected from a fief. The passage above was a popular joke of the time, recorded here—what people today call “distant water won’t put out a fire close at hand.” “Shop of dried fish” (kuyu zhi si) means: by the time that water from the Western River truly arrives, I will already have been sun-dried into fish. “What one normally relies on” (chang yu) is the bit of environment one usually depends on and lives within.

2. Sir Ren Angling for the Great Fish

Sir Ren made a huge hook and thick line, used fifty oxen as bait, crouched by Mount Kuaiji, and cast his pole into the Eastern Sea. He fished every day; for a year he got no fish. Then a great fish took the bait, pulled the hook down, and when it broke the surface its fins and tail spread wide—white waves like mountains, the sea churning, sound like ghosts and spirits, alarming the land for a thousand li. Sir Ren caught this fish, split it and dried it; from east of the Yellow River to north of Cangwu, there was no one who did not eat its flesh. After that, those of shallow talent who could only recite a few lines all told the tale to each other in amazement.

Yet if you raise a fine pole to the edge of a ditch and wait for loach and small crucian carp, hoping to land a great fish—that is very hard. If you dress and act like a petty household and chase fame and profit, you are also far from the Dao. So one never hears of anyone living by Sir Ren’s style—that sort of path was never meant to govern and benefit the world; the gap is even wider.

3. The Same Lesson as the Borrowing-Grain Story

The overseer’s “three hundred gold” and Zhuangzi’s “waters of the Western River” are both promises of a large future gift; what the carp and Zhuangzi need is only dipper-and-pint water before their eyes. The commentary makes it plain: recording the joke here is exactly “distant water does not save a nearby fire”; speaking of the dried-fish shop means that when that great flood finally comes, the person is already a dried fish—“what one normally relies on” is that little bit of water and place that keeps one alive; once it is lost, one cannot live on empty promises alone.

巨缁大黑索也犗音界牛也防与陷同海水震难矣饰小以干县令其于大达亦远矣是以未尝闻任氏之风俗其不可与经于世亦远矣 巨缁大黑索也犗音界牛也防与陷同海水震荡声侔神言此鱼揺动海水其声可畏也惮赫惊恐也千里之人皆闻其声而惧也厌厌饫而食之也辁才揣量浅见之士也讽道听涂者知其常而不知异见其小而不见大故惊以相告也累小防也灌注也灌渎言流水之小渎也鲵鲋小鱼也县令犹今揭示也县与悬同县揭之号令犹今赏格之言见小之人饰其辞干求于上求合其所示之令格纵得之能几何故曰其于大达亦远矣俗世俗之士也俗士不可与言经世之道故曰俗其不可与经于世亦远矣远矣纵得之能几何故曰其于大达亦远矣俗世俗之士也俗士不可与言经世之道故曰俗其不可与经于世亦远矣远矣犹甚矣也 儒以诗礼发冢大儒胪传曰东方作矣事之何若小儒曰未解裙襦口中有珠诗固有之曰青青之麦生于陵陂生不布施死何含珠为接其擪其顪儒以金椎控其颐徐别其颊无伤口中珠
Interpretation

Plain-language explanation

“Ju zi” refers to a thick, long black rope; “jie” (written with the character read like jie, “boundary”) means the large rope used to hobble cattle. “Fang” and “xian” here mean much the same thing. When the sea is stirred it surges violently—the commentary compares this to the Goddess of the Luo River: when such a great fish flicks its tail, the sea roars and terrifies; people a thousand li away can hear it and tremble. “Yan yan” means eating one’s fill; “quan cai” denotes someone whose measure is shallow and whose vision is short; “feng” is repeating what one hears without grasping change—knowing only the usual, not the exceptional, seeing the small but not the great—so that a single fright spreads alarm everywhere. “Lei” is a small embankment; “guan” is to pour or flood in; “guan du” likens something to a narrow ditch or trickle; “ni” and “fu” are small fish. “Xian ling” is like a public notice posted today; “xian” and “xuan” (to suspend) are related—it means hanging up regulations, reward lists, and the like. People of narrow view polish their wording and press upward against those suspended rules; even if they happen to match them, how much can that matter? So they are still far from “da da” (great penetration, full alignment with the Great Dao). The commentary also says “yuan yi” means “far too short of the mark.”

“Su” means worldly people; one cannot explain statecraft and ordering the world to such folk, so they too are far from “jing yu shi” (governing the world)—again “yuan yi,” still far too short.


(Continuing with the Zhuangzi main text and oral commentary) Confucian scholars, invoking the principles of the Book of Poetry and Book of Rites, open a grave: the senior scholar passes the word down in order: “The east is bright—what shall we do?” The junior says: “The lower garment is not yet unfastened; there is a pearl in the mouth. The Poetry itself says: ‘Green, green wheat, growing on the mound; no gifts while alive—why hold a pearl when dead?’” So they pull the lower jaw, press the forehead; the scholars use a metal mallet to brace the chin and slowly pry apart the cheeks, careful not to damage the pearl in the mouth.

The oral commentary explains line by line: the senior and junior scholars are two Confucians, one higher in rank, one lower; “lu chuan” is message passed from one to the next; “dong fang zuo” is dawn breaking in the east; “shi zhi he ruo” is how to handle the affair; “wei jie qun ru” means the deceased’s lower robes are not yet undone; “kou zhong you zhu” is a pearl held in the mouth—ancients sometimes placed a pearl in the dead, called “han zhu” (mouth pearl); “qing qing zhi mai” and the following lines quote the Poetry to mock giving nothing in life yet hoarding a pearl in death; “ye qi shun” is to press the forehead; “jin chui” is a metal pestle or mallet; “kong qi yi” is to support the jaw; “xu bie qi jia” is to pry the cheeks apart slowly; “wu shang kou zhong zhu” is to take care not to injure the mouth so the pearl can be removed.

此段盖喻游之士借诗书圣贤之言以文其奸者自上语下曰胪自下语上曰句胪传者大儒为首而告其下也青青之麦生于陵陂赋墓田也生不布施何含珠为讥富者也此诗只四句或是古诗或是庄子自撰亦不可知接其以下大儒教小儒之语接撮也擪以手按之也顪颐下也控其颐者控开其颐也别亦开也言歌此诗教其徒徐取其珠而欲无所损也诗曰何以含珠为则我今取之亦合古诗之意矣 老莱之弟子出薪遇仲尼反以告曰有人于彼修上而趋下末偻而后耳视若营四海不知其谁氏之子老损也诗曰何以含珠为则我今取之亦合古诗之意矣 老莱之弟子出薪遇仲尼反以告曰有人于彼修上而趋下末偻而后耳视若营四海不知其谁氏之子老莱子曰是丘也召而来仲尼至曰丘去汝躬矜与汝容知斯为君子矣仲尼揖而退蹙然改容而问曰业可得进乎老莱子曰夫不忍一世之伤而骜万世之患抑固窭邪亡其略弗及邪惠以欢为骜终身之丑中民之行进焉耳相引以名相结以与其誉尧而非桀不如两忘而闭其所誉反无非伤也动无非邪也圣人踌躇以兴事以每成功奈何哉其载焉终矜尔 出薪者出而采薪也修上上长也趋下其行趋锵也末微也言其背微有偻曲之状后耳者载焉终矜尔
Interpretation

This passage explains several stories and analogies from the Zhuangzi, along the following lines.

The Parable of the Great Ru Stealing Pearls

Here Zhuangzi satirizes those wandering “knights of persuasion” (you shi) who wrap their cunning in the words of the Shijing, Shujing, and sages. There are two ways of speaking: speaking downward from above is called lu (expounding); speaking upward from below is called julü. Chuan means the great Ru stands in front and transmits downward to disciples. The line in the Shijing, “Green, green the wheat, growing on the mound,” refers to burial in a field tomb; “In life he gave nothing—why hold pearls in the mouth?” mocks the rich—unwilling to give while alive, yet holding pearls in the mouth after death. That poem has only four lines; whether it is an old poem or one Zhuangzi made up cannot be settled.

What follows—cuo, ye, shan, yi, kong, bie, and the like—describes how the great Ru teaches the lesser Ru: joining and pressing with the hands, prying open the other’s jaw (“kong qi yi”; bie also means “to open”), reciting that poem while slowly taking the pearls, trying not to harm the corpse. The great Ru’s point: since the poem asks “why hold pearls,” taking them fits the poem’s intent.

Laolaizi and Zhongni

Laolaizi’s disciple went out to gather firewood, met Confucius returning, and told Laolaizi: Over there is someone tall and slender, upper body long and lower short, back slightly bent and ears set back, eyes as if surveying all under heaven—I don’t know whose son he is. Laolaizi said: That is Kong Qiu (Confucius). He had him called. When Confucius arrived, Laolaizi said: Qiu, drop the bodily stiffness and the show of cleverness—only then are you a junzi (gentleman). Confucius bowed and withdrew, his expression changed, and asked: Can pursuit of the Way still advance? Laolaizi said: Unable to bear a moment’s hurt, yet letting ten thousand generations’ harm run free—is that innate poverty, or insufficient scheming? Trading what pleases people for arrogance is a lifelong disgrace. What ordinary people call “conduct” is mostly mutual tugging with reputation and binding with profit—praising Yao together and reviling Jie. Better to forget both sides and put away what you boast of. Turning this way and that only harms yourself; reckless movement is only perversity. The sage is cautious in action and often succeeds—why must you carry stiffness on your back all your life?

“Chu xin” means going out to gather firewood. “Xiu shang er qu xia” describes a tall, slender figure with a light step. “Mo lou er hou er” means a slightly hunched back and ears set back. “Shi ruo ying sihai” means far-reaching gaze, as if managing great affairs under heaven. “Ye” means learning or the Way. “Gong jin” is bodily stiffness in bearing; “rong zhi” is wearing cleverness on one’s face and showing off wit. “Liang wang” means forgetting the opposition of right and wrong on both sides; “bi qi suo yu” means no longer outwardly praising what one upholds. “Zai yan zhong jin er” urges Confucius not to carry stiffness on his back until old age.

出薪者出而采薪也修上上长也趋下其行趋锵也末微也言其背微有偻曲之状后耳者面前视之不见其耳也视若营四海即蒿目以忧当世之患之意躬矜汝身矜持之行也容知容外饰也知思虑也业可得进者言道业可得而学否也一世之伤一时之人憔悴可伤也骜傲然而不恤之意言汝为一时而忧过用其心能贻后世之患汝皆骜然而不顾也汝既如此道之穷宜也窭穷也固宜也汝之道其穷如此是不知天下之事有非智略所能及者故曰亡其略弗及邪亡与忘同惠施惠于人也欢欲得人之欢心也以施惠而得人之欢心为骜以此自骜知天下之事有非智略所能及者故曰亡其略弗及邪亡与忘同惠施惠于人也欢欲得人之欢心也以施惠而得人之欢心为骜以此自骜于世不可此乃终身可丑之行也庸人之所为则务入于此而己故曰中民之行进焉耳中民庸人也以名而相汲引以蔽之计而自相交结此形容中民之为也尧桀两忘则不惟无毁亦无誉矣故曰闭其所誉反背也反背自然之理则无非伤道之事也不好静而好动则无非邪僻之行也圣人则不然踌躇者欲进不进之意以踌躇兴事即不得己而后应也惟其无心所以每每成功载自负也汝奈何终身以矜持之意而自负故曰奈何哉其载焉终矜尔此一句下得奇
Interpretation

Going out to gather firewood: the body seems tall and upright from above. Hurrying along: steps quick and restless. Slightly bent at the end: the back a little hunched. Ears behind: seen from the front, the ears are hidden (the head thrust forward and the back slightly stooped). Eyes as if tending all under heaven: the gaze of one who furrows his brow over the calamities of the age—hao mu yi you dang shi zhi huan, anxious for the world’s ills. Body held stiff: a constrained, formal posture—the air of juchi (reserve). Rong is outward bearing; zhi is inward scheming.

Whether the practice can be advanced: whether one can learn and progress in the Way. A generation’s wound: people of this age worn and pitiable, stirring grief. Ao: proud, smug, and indifferent. The point: if you fret excessively over the present, you may store up trouble for those who come after, while you stand aloof and unconcerned. Given that, when the Way is exhausted, it is fitting; when you are destitute, that too is fitting: your path has run its course and want is appropriate—because you fail to see that in the affairs of the world, some things cannot be done by wit and stratagem; hence “wang qi lüe fu ji ye” (wang equals wang, to forget or forgo—nor can clever schemes reach the goal).

Hui Shi (a leading figure of the Warring States “School of Names”) bestows benefits on others; huan is the wish to be liked—treating the currency of bought favor as capital for self-importance. Pride built on that still misses that some things lie beyond strategy; hence again “wang qi lüe fu ji ye.” Such a way of living will not work; it is shameful for a whole lifetime. What ordinary people do is no more than this—so it is said “zhong min zhi xing jin yan er”: zhong min are mediocre folk who “advance” only by pulling one another up in rank and title, joining through half-hidden calculation; this sketches the manner of the zhong min.

Forgetting both Yao and Jie: clinging neither to Yao’s goodness nor to Jie’s evil, there is no slander and no praise; hence one must “bi qi suo yu”—shut off what is praised. If one still goes against the natural order, nothing fails to harm the Way; disliking stillness and loving agitation, nothing fails to turn crooked. The sage is otherwise: chouchu is the wish to go forward yet holding back; to act from chouchu is to respond only when there is no choice. Because there is no deliberate mind, things often succeed—yet there is still zai—to carry, to lean on oneself. Why must you spend your whole life in reserve and self-conceit? Hence the sigh: “nai he zai qi zai yan zhong jin er”—why load yourself and stay proud to the end?

宋元君夜半而梦人披发窥阿门曰予自宰路之渊予为清江使河伯之所渔者余且得予元君觉使意而自负故曰奈何哉其载焉终矜尔此一句下得奇 宋元君夜半而梦人披发窥阿门曰予自宰路之渊予为清江使河伯之所渔者余且得予元君觉使人占之曰此神龟也君曰渔者有余且乎左右曰有君曰令余且会朝明日余且朝君曰渔何得对曰且之网得白龟焉其圆五尺君曰献若之龟龟至君再欲杀之再欲活之心疑卜之曰杀龟以卜吉乃刳龟七十二钻而无遗防仲尼曰神龟能见梦于元君而不能避余且之网知能七十二钻而无遗防不能避刳肠之患如是则知有所困神有所不及也虽有至知万人谋之鱼不畏网而畏鹈鹕去小知而大知明去善而自善矣婴儿生无石师而能言与能言者处也
Interpretation

Plain-Language Reading of Zhuangzi Kouyi (Oral Explanations of the Zhuangzi)

King Yuan of Song dreamed in the middle of the night that someone with hair hanging loose was looking in from the A Gate (palace gate), saying: I come from the depths at Zailu (a place name); I was originally a divine turtle in the service of the River Lord (He Bo) in the Qingjiang, but the fisherman Yu Qie caught me.

When King Yuan woke, he had someone interpret the dream; the diviner said: This is the divine turtle speaking through a dream. He also asked those around him: Among the fishermen, is there one named Yu Qie? They answered: Yes. He then ordered Yu Qie to come to court.

The next day Yu Qie attended court. King Yuan asked: What did you catch fishing? Yu Qie said: Yesterday I cast my net and caught a white turtle about five feet across. King Yuan said: Bring the turtle as tribute. When the turtle arrived, he wavered between killing it and keeping it alive and could not decide; he divined again, and the oracle read: Slaughter the turtle and use it for divination—auspicious. So they split the shell and drilled seventy-two holes for divination; the readings were accurate every time, never once failing.

Confucius (called Zhongni in the text) commented on this affair: The divine turtle could appear to King Yuan in a dream, yet could not escape Yu Qie’s net; it could make all seventy-two drill-divinations come out right, yet could not escape the disaster of being gutted and disemboweled. Thus knowing (zhi) has its limits, and spirit (shen) has what it cannot reach. Even the highest wisdom cannot withstand everyone scheming together. Fish do not fear the fishing net, yet they fear the pelican (a water bird that specializes in catching fish). That is why Zhuangzi wants people to drop petty cleverness so great knowing can show, and drop deliberate “doing good” so one can return to goodness as it naturally is. A newborn needs no shi shi (master teacher) to learn to speak, because day after day it is among people who talk.


Note: This passage comes from the “Divine Turtle Dream” story in the Outer Chapters section “Things External” (Wai Wu) of the Zhuangzi. Zhuangzi Kouyi is an oral lecture-style commentary on the Zhuangzi; here it is explaining knowing versus fate, usefulness versus uselessness—however numinous the turtle and however accurate the divination, it still could not escape being killed and shelled open; that aligns with Zhuangzi’s recurring themes that spirit has what it cannot reach and discard small knowing to gain great knowing. In the original, the phrase “this one sentence opens in a striking way” is a commentator praising how well that opening line is written, not part of the canonical text itself.

阿曲也阿门曲侧之门也宰路渊名也清江之神使我使于河伯再欲杀之再欲活之再三迟疑而不决也卜以杀为吉遂杀之七十二钻言用之而占七十二次也龟灵于人而不灵扵己故曰知有所困神有所不及也此意盖谓名之以知则有穷时此下数句却泛言疑而不决也卜以杀为吉遂杀之七十二钻言用之而占七十二次也龟灵于人而不灵扵己故曰知有所困神有所不及也此意盖谓名之以知则有穷时此下数句却泛言世情以实之人有至知者岂能以一身而胜万人之谋鹈鹕之取鱼饮涸其水而后尽其鱼此有心害鱼者非网之比也上言人若有心而害我一人之智岂能敌之此言我苟有心则人亦以有心应我故以此喻之惟能去其小智而付之自然则大知明矣去吾为善自名之义则善自归我故曰去善而自善矣石与硕同石师硕大之师能教人者婴儿之能言不待求师而自能者与能言者同处则自然能言也大知自善自然之理也不教能言自然之喻也 惠子谓庄子曰子言无用庄子曰知无师硕大之师能教人者婴儿之能言不待求师而自能者与能言者同处则自然能言也大知自善自然之理也不教能言自然之喻也 惠子谓庄子曰子言无用庄子曰知无用而始可与言用矣夫地非不广且大也人之所用容足耳然则厕足而垫之致黄泉人尚有用乎惠子曰无用庄子曰然则无用之为用也亦明矣
Interpretation

Zhuangzi Kouyi (Plain Explanation of Zhuangzi)

A Qu is the gate on the curved side; Zai Lu is the name of an abyss—the spirit of the clear river. I was sent to see the River Lord (He Bo). Twice they wanted to kill me, twice they wanted to keep me; they wavered again and again and could not decide. The divination said that “kill” was auspicious, so they killed me. The turtle shell was drilled seventy-two times for divination—the turtle was accurate for others yet not for itself; hence the saying that zhi (knowing) has its limits, and spiritual power too has what it cannot reach. The gist is: once you call some capacity “knowing,” it already has an end. The sentences that follow broadly sketch how people in the world doubt and cannot decide when things arise.

When the oracle said killing was auspicious, they killed; seventy-two drillings of the turtle for divination describe the same kind of use. The turtle was spirit-like for others but not for itself—so it is said that knowing has its straits and the numinous has what it does not reach: call something “knowing,” and it always runs out eventually. Further on, worldly situations are used to nail down the point: even someone of “ utmost knowing”—how could one person’s body outmatch the schemes of the multitude?

The pelican catches fish by first drinking the water dry, then scooping up every fish—this is deliberately harming fish, unlike the net’s way of taking without such intent. The passage above says: if someone sets out to harm me, how can one person’s stratagems prevail? Here it says: if I act with intent, others will answer with intent in turn—hence this image. Only by dropping small cleverness and handing things over to nature does great knowing become clear. Strip away the label “I do good; I stand on being good,” and goodness naturally settles on you—thus “drop being-good and goodness itself remains.”

Shi and shuo (large/great) are connected in sound and sense. Shi Shi (Stone Master) points to the vast way of the teacher—the kind of master who can teach. An infant learns to speak without first finding a teacher; put among people who already speak, and speech comes naturally. Great knowing’s self-goodness is the principle of nature; “can speak without being taught” is the parable used to show that through nature.

Huizi said to Zhuangzi: what you talk about is all useless. Zhuangzi said: first understand “useless”—only then are you fit to discuss “useful.” The earth is not un-vast or un-great, yet what people use is only the patch that holds the feet. If you dug away every foot-sized spot and filled down to the Yellow Springs, would people still have anywhere to stand? Huizi said: then it would be useless. Zhuangzi said: seen this way, “useless” itself is also a kind of “use”—and that is quite clear.

垫掘也容足之外皆为深渊则不可行矣即前谓足也践恃其所不蹍之意故曰无用之用【徐无篇】 庄子曰人有能游且得不游乎人而不能游且得游乎夫流遁之志决绝之行噫其非至知厚德之任与覆坠而不反火驰而不顾虽相与为君臣时也易世而无以相贱故曰至人不留行焉夫尊古而卑今学者之流也且以狶韦氏之流观今之世夫孰能不波唯至人乃能游于世而不僻顺人而不失已彼教不学承意不彼能游者则游之曰至人不留行焉夫尊古而卑今学者之流也且以狶韦氏之流观今之世夫孰能不波唯至人乃能游于世而不僻顺人而不失已彼教不学承意不彼能游者则游之不能游者终于不能此言世有达者有不达者也游自乐之意也流遁逐物而忘返也决绝与世判然自异也任为也至知厚德循自然之人则其所为无流遁决绝之失矣覆坠言陷溺于世故也火驰逐于世如火之急也此皆为世俗所累而不能反身自顾故曰不反不顾言不能回光返照也虽一时之间有贵有贱名为君臣而没身之后贵贱何有言王侯与蝼蚁同尽随丘墟也惟至人之所行则于世无留恋之意故曰至人不留行焉古今人情大抵相安有淳浇之别学者尊古而卑今不知世没身之后贵贱何有言王侯与蝼蚁同尽随丘墟也惟至人之所行则于世无留恋之意故曰至人不留行焉古今人情大抵相安有淳浇之别学者尊古而卑今不知世变者也狶韦氏三皇五帝之先也若以天地之初上古之世而观于今日则皆为波荡流逐而失其性者矣故曰夫孰能不波学者之古今只自三皇五帝为始此盖讥贬古帝王之意僻偏也游于世而无所偏倚不以古今为是非也虽合光同尘不与世相忤而我之所存者自在故曰顺人而不失己彼之所教自以为是我固不学之然亦承顺其意而无彼我之分此即齐物因是之意故曰承意不彼
Interpretation

Source: Zhuangzi, "Xu Wugui" (as explained in oral commentary)

Walking is like planting your feet only where they can truly hold—beyond that lies abyss, so you must not step at random. That is what the earlier line means: “what the foot treads depends entirely on what it cannot tread upon.” Hence Zhuangzi speaks of “the usefulness of the useless.”

Zhuangzi says: If a person can “roam” (you), how could they not roam? If they cannot roam, how could they roam? That sort of aim that chases external things and never returns, that manner of utterly breaking with the world—hardly befits those of “utmost knowing and thick virtue.” They are like someone who has fallen into an abyss yet will not turn back, or who gallops amid fire yet will not look behind: all are dragged by the worldly and cannot turn inward to see themselves, which is why it is said “no turning back” and “no looking behind.” Even when for a time there are ruler and subject, noble and base, once a person is dead what difference remains in rank? Kings and lords end in the same mounds as ants. Only the perfected person (zhiren) acts without clinging to the world; hence “the perfected person does not linger in conduct.”

To honor antiquity and belittle the present is the pedant’s habit. If one measured today by the ways of Xishiwei—the legendary sage-king before the Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors—who could avoid being carried along by the age’s waves? Only the perfected person can “roam” in the world without bias, follow human feeling without losing the self. What others teach they take as right; I need not adopt it, yet I can still go along with their intent and not force a you-versus-me split—this is the sense of equalizing things and going along with affirmations, hence “receiving intent without making ‘that’ the other.” Those who can roam, roam; those who cannot never roam in a lifetime. The point is that in the world some penetrate the Way and some do not. “Roaming” means finding joy in oneself. “Drifting away” (liudun) is pursuing things and forgetting to return; “breaking clean off” (juejue) is taking a path wholly apart from worldly sentiment.

“Utmost knowing and thick virtue” names those who act with nature; their conduct avoids drifting away and breaking off. “Toppling fall” (fuzui) means drowning in worldly affairs; “fire-galloping” (huochi) means rushing after the world like fire. Such people are bound by the mundane and cannot turn the light back upon themselves, so they cannot “turn back” or “look behind.” Though for a while there are high and low, names of ruler and subject, once the body is gone what rank remains? Kings and ants alike return to the mound. Only the perfected person’s way leaves no attachment in the world; hence “the perfected person does not linger in conduct.”

Human feeling in old times and now is broadly the same—there is no absolute “pure” versus “decadent.” Scholars who honor antiquity and scorn the present do not grasp how the world changes. Xishiwei lived before the Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors; if one viewed the present from the first opening of heaven and earth or from deepest antiquity, most people would sway with the waves and lose their inborn nature—hence “who indeed can fail to wave?” When pedants say “antiquity,” they often mean only from the Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors onward; here there is also a barb aimed at ancient kings.

“Bias” (pi) means partiality. “Roaming in the world without bias” means not splitting right and wrong by old versus new: one may harmonize with the dust and not clash with the world, yet what “I” preserve still stands—hence following others without losing oneself.

目彻为明耳彻为聪鼻彻为颤口彻为甘心彻为知知彻为德凡道不欲壅壅则哽哽而不止则跈跈【女展反】则众害生物之有知者恃息其不殷非天之罪天之穿之日夜无降人则顾塞其窦 彻通也得自然之理而大通彻则耳目之所视听为真聪真明鼻口之所嗅味为真颤真甘心之所知者为真有知者恃息其不殷非天之罪天之穿之日夜无降人则顾塞其窦 彻通也得自然之理而大通彻则耳目之所视听为真聪真明鼻口之所嗅味为真颤真甘心之所知者为真知德为至德矣壅壅塞窒碍也哽哽咽而不通也跈者足所践之迹也我之见道苟窒碍哽塞而不能自觉则累于形迹矣不止迷而不知止也既累于形迹则众害生矣息生也生之谓性人皆有之有此受生之性而后有所知觉所谓知觉者恃此息也人莫不然而或至于不当其理者岂天靳之不殷不当也天理之在人心日夜发见其孔窍发见处何尝有止息故曰天之穿之日夜无降穿心窍也无降无止也窦亦心窍也人以物欲而自蔽惑是塞其窦也顾乃也
Interpretation

Plain-language reading

Che means thorough penetration: when a person grasps the natural principle and opens fully, what the ears hear and the eyes see is genuine clarity and genuine sight; what the nose smells and the mouth tastes is genuine discernment and genuine sweetness; what the heart knows is genuine knowing—and when knowing penetrates all the way through, that is supreme De (Virtue/Power).

Dao should never be blocked. Once it is blocked, it chokes; choking without knowing where to stop, one falls into xingji (traces of bodily form)—xian is the mark left by the foot on the ground. When form-traces weigh one down, every kind of harm arises. Every sentient being with perception lives by xi (breath and vital breath); this xing (innate nature) is in everyone. Only with the nature that receives life does perception arise; what we call perception also rests on this breath. All people are alike in this. When at times the path of principle goes wrong, it is not that Heaven is stingy or fails to treat you generously (buyin means “not as it should be”), but that the principle of Heaven is originally in the human heart, day and night shining forth through the heart’s openings—where it shines forth there is never a pause, hence the phrase tian zhi chuan zhi (“Heaven pierces through it”), as if piercing the heart’s openings; riye wujiang—jiang means to cease. Dou also means the heart’s opening. Because people obscure themselves with desire for things, they block that opening. Gu here means “yet, on the contrary”—people instead plug the opening shut.

胞有重阆心有天游室无空虚则妇姑勃溪心无天游则六凿相攘大林丘山之善于人也亦神者不胜德溢乎名名溢乎暴谋稽乎誸【音】知出乎争柴生乎守官事果胞有重阆心有天游室无空虚则妇姑勃溪心无天游则六凿相攘大林丘山之善于人也亦神者不胜德溢乎名名溢乎暴谋稽乎誸【音】知出乎争柴生乎守官事果乎众宜春雨日时草木怒生铫耨于是乎始修草木之到植者过半而不知其然 胞脬膜也人身皮肉之内有一重膜包络此身重阆者空旷也人身之内如此空旷而心君主之以天理自乐则谓之天游勃溪争斗也窄小之屋妇姑常在六凿六根也谓眼耳鼻舌身意也盖室不虚则尊卑勃戾心不虚则六凿攘夺若使心而能虚则外物安得而挠之哉善爱也夫心不虚而后六尘挠之故今之爱山林者亦以精神不胜役役之劳是以忽睹虚旷之境则心必喜之反为所胜乍见而喜喜继而悲 大化密移直为物转也 静然可以补病眦可以休老宁可以止遽虽然若是劳者之务也非佚者之所未尝过而问焉 静然者安然也补病者去故即新舍末而归本也此心能安然
Interpretation

Main Meaning of the Passage (Zhuangzi Original)

Within the human body there are layers of spacious cavities, and the mind can roam freely in accord with the natural order. If the dwelling is cramped with no room to breathe, mother-in-law and daughter-in-law will quarrel without end; if the heart lacks this “heavenly roaming,” the six roots (eye, ear, nose, tongue, body, and mind) will vie and clamor against one another. Great forests, hills, and mountains may be loved partly because the spirit cannot bear the strain (of being pulled by outer things). When virtue overflows into reputation, reputation overflows into cruelty; scheming is trapped in craftiness, and cleverness arises from strife—like firewood piled in defense—until affairs of office come to this. When spring rain comes in season, plants and trees surge upward, and hoeing and weeding begin; more than half the plants fall broken, yet no one knows why.


Oral Commentary

The membrane, the layered chambers, and heavenly roaming

“Membrane” (bao) means the membrane wrapping the body; within flesh and skin there is another membrane-like network protecting the whole body. “Layered chambers” (chong lang) refers to inner spaciousness. The body’s interior is so open, while the ruler of the heart finds joy in the natural order—this is called “heavenly roaming” (tian you). “Bo xi” means quarreling. When the house is narrow, mother-in-law and daughter-in-law often clash. “Six borings” (liu zao) are the six roots: eye, ear, nose, tongue, body, and mind. When the dwelling is not empty, superior and inferior push against each other; when the heart is not empty, the six roots grab and fight. If the heart can be empty, how can outer things disturb it? What is called “good” (shan, delight) is because the heart is not empty and the six dusts (form, sound, scent, taste, touch, and mental objects) come to stir it. People who love mountains and forests today also find their spirit unable to bear endless toil; suddenly seeing open space, the heart must rejoice—yet they are overcome by the outer scene, first elated then saddened.

Great transformation and being turned by things

Great transformation shifts in the dark, and people are simply pulled along by outer things.

Stillness, mending illness, resting age, stopping haste

“Jing ran” means settled and at ease. “Bu bing” means letting go of the old and welcoming the new, abandoning the branch and returning to the root. When the heart is at ease, it can nourish sickly qi; closing the eyes can rest aging; tranquility can stop urgency. Even so, these are still what busy people should do—not what the truly idle wanderer has never passed through yet comes casually to ask about.

(The following repeats the lines on “stillness can mend illness…” and the gloss “jing ran means at ease, bu bing means…” with the same sense: stressing heart-ease, renewing by shedding the old, returning to the root and guarding stillness—matters for those who apply effort, not what genuine free roaming is about.)

则向之失止遽虽然若是劳者之务也非佚者之所未尝过而问焉 静然者安然也补病者去故即新舍末而归本也此心能安然 则向之失者可以补而全之矣眦音剪音灭眦者屏去物欲而全其天理则可以优游而至老遽急也能宁其心则可以止遽矣圣人之所以駴天下神人未尝过而问焉贤人所以駴世圣人未尝过而问焉君子所以駴国贤人未尝过而问焉小人所以合时君子未尝过而问焉演门有亲死者以善毁爵为官师其党人毁而死者乎 因未尝问一句又生下四句駴与骇同圣人以仁义而治天下是駴之也神人则无此矣贤者以盛德而骇世圣人则无此矣君子则以声名而骇其一国贤人则无此矣小人则营营以求合于一时君子则无此矣演门地名也善毁孝也以孝而得爵遂声名而骇其一国贤人则无此矣小人则营营以求合于一时君子则无此矣演门地名也善毁孝也以孝而得爵遂为官师其党人慕之乃至有哀毁而死者言好名之为累也官师犹今曰官员也 尧与许由天下许由逃之汤与务光务光怒之纪他闻之帅弟子而踆于窾水诸侯吊之三年申徒狄因以踣河 许由务光以得名纪他慕之亦相率而于窾水踆与蹲同此一字鄙薄之之意也纪他之意亦欲诸侯以国让之而诸侯但以其苦吊之而已已自可笑三年之后申徒狄又慕名以至自投于河此盖极言好名之累也 筌者所以在鱼得鱼而忘筌蹄者所以在兔得兔而忘蹄言者所以在意得意而忘言吾安得夫忘言之人而与之言哉
Interpretation

In this way, what was previously incomplete can be filled in and restored to wholeness.

“Zi” and “jie” (following the original phonetic notes: zi read as usual; jie read like the “mie” type of pronunciation) mean: shut desire outside, preserve the inner norm of Heaven (tianli), and one can live out one’s years at ease. When the heart is too rushed and restless, settling the mind stops that urgency.

The lines below follow the same pattern: “hai” (same sense as startling or shaking people) means to stir the human world with one’s presence and reputation. When the sage governs all under Heaven with benevolence and righteousness, that is “startling” the world—yet the divine person (shenren, one who has attained the Way and left ordinary society behind) never bothers with such things. When the worthy person “startles” an age with great virtue, the sage does not bother with that either. When the gentleman “startles” a state with fame, the worthy person does not bother. When the petty person schemes to please the moment, the gentleman does not bother.

At Yanmen, someone mourned his parents with such extreme filial devotion (“shan hui” means mourning to the full ritual extreme) that he was ennobled and made a guanshi (a local official in charge of teaching and administration). Would his associates also ruin their health or even die in mourning, just to imitate him and chase reputation? That is pushing the harm of craving a name to an extreme.

Yao offered the realm to Xu You; Xu You fled and refused. Tang offered it to Wuguang; Wuguang took offense and refused. When Ji Ta heard of this, he led his disciples to withdraw and hide by the Kuanshui—squatting in seclusion (“cun” matches “dun,” suggesting scorn for the world and distance from it). He too had hoped a lord would yield the realm; instead the lords only came to offer condolences for his hardship—which was already absurd. Three years later Shentu Di, smitten with the fame of this “yielding the realm,” threw himself into the river and died. That again takes the burden of craving a name to the limit.

The quan (bamboo fish trap) exists because there are fish; once you have the fish, you can forget the quan. The ti (rabbit snare) exists because there are rabbits; once you have the rabbit, you can forget the ti. Words exist because there is meaning; once you have grasped the meaning, you can forget the words. Where am I to find someone who has already “forgotten words,” so I can talk with him in words?

上面既尽了却以筌蹄之语结末亦与前篇言而足言而不足体格一同筌蹄取鱼取兔之具也既得则无用矣言寓意也得其意则忘言矣不能忘言则泥着而失其意矣惟忘言者而后可与言此不足体格一同筌蹄取鱼取兔之具也既得则无用矣言寓意也得其意则忘言矣不能忘言则泥着而失其意矣惟忘言者而后可与言此篇文亦精细在兔意在于得兔也 庄子口义卷八 钦定四库全书 庄子口义卷九 宋 林希逸 撰 杂篇寓言第二十七 寓言十九重言十七卮言日出和以天倪寓言十九借外论之亲父不为其子媒亲父誉之不若非其父者也非吾罪也人之罪也与己同则应不与己同则反同于己为是之异于己为非之
Interpretation

The main exposition is already complete; the closing brings in biān tí (the fish-trap and the rabbit-snare) to round things off, in the same pattern as the earlier discussion of when words are enough and when they fall short.

Biān tí names the bamboo fish-trap (biān) and the gear used to run down rabbits (tí): once the fish is in hand and the rabbit is caught, those implements can be laid aside—there is no need to keep clutching them. Speech works the same way: language is there to carry meaning; when meaning is understood, the words themselves should be released. If one cannot let go of words and digs into the literal surface, one grows rigid and fixed, and the genuine point slips away. Only someone who can wang yan (“forget words”) can be said to use language in the full sense.

This section is equally careful in its wording. The rabbit is the instructive case: what counts is getting the rabbit, not forever hugging the snare; the stress falls on the meaning, not on the trap.

此篇之首乃庄子自言其一书之中有三种话寓言者以己之言借他人之名以言之十九者言此书之中十居其九谓寓言多也如啮缺王倪庚桑楚之是也重言者借古人之名以自重如黄帝神农孔子是也十七者言此书之中此十居其七也卮酒卮也人皆可饮饮之而有味故曰卮言日出者件件之中有此言也和调和也天倪天理也以以自重如黄帝神农孔子是也十七者言此书之中此十居其七也卮酒卮也人皆可饮饮之而有味故曰卮言日出者件件之中有此言也和调和也天倪天理也以天理而调和众人之心也借借也不出于己而出于他人曰外故曰借外论之父誉其子以求婚则其人必不信故必借他人以誉之此譬喻也此罪不在我因人之不见信故有此寓言也若以为出于我则在人之见必有异同之分应是之也反非之也与己不与己此言他人自私之见也 重言十七所以己言也是为耆艾年先矣而无经纬本末以期年耆者是非先也人而无以先人无人道也人而无人道是之谓陈人
Interpretation

The opening of this chapter has Zhuangzi explaining that the book employs three modes of discourse. Yuyan (metaphorical or entrusted speech) means voicing one’s own meaning under another person’s name; the figure “nineteen” indicates that roughly nine out of ten chapters belong to this type—examples include “Nie Que,” “Wang Ni,” and “Gengsang Chu.” Chongyan (repeated or weight-giving speech) invokes the names of the ancients to add authority, such as the Yellow Emperor, Shennong, and Confucius; “seventeen” means this kind accounts for about seven tenths of the whole. Zhiyan (goblet or spillover speech): zhi is a wine vessel—anyone may drink from it and find flavor—so the image stands for words everyone can accept and that hold together; richu (daily renewal) means each chapter includes such day-by-day refreshed formulations. He is harmonizing; tian ni is the natural principle of Heaven. One uses Heaven’s principle to harmonize people’s hearts.

Jie (borrowing) means the words do not come from one’s own mouth but from another’s, hence it is called wailun (external discourse). It is like a father praising his son to arrange a marriage: the other party often will not believe him, and the praise must come from someone else’s mouth—that is the point of yuyan. The fault is not mine; it arises because people will not trust direct speech, and so this kind of entrusted tale appears. If everything were taken as “I” speaking, listeners would inevitably split into agreement and disagreement—approving or rejecting, following or not following one’s own bent—this describes the private, one-sided views ordinary people cling to.

Chongyan makes up seven tenths, so it is also “one’s own speech”: because someone advanced in years and senior in standing need not lay out every thread of principle from start to finish—mere age suffices to make him a standard of right and wrong. If a person cannot take virtue and conduct as what leads the way for others, he does not truly possess the human way; without the human way and relying only on seniority in years is to be a chenren—an old formula without fresh insight.

已止也己言可以止其争辩也借重于耆艾之人则闻者不敢以为非可以止塞其议论也古先帝王圣贤皆耆艾也经纬本末止也己言可以止其争辩也借重于耆艾之人则闻者不敢以为非可以止塞其议论也古先帝王圣贤皆耆艾也经纬本末言知常知变知首知终也期年期颐之年也年虽先矣而学无所见但以期颐之年而称为耆宿则其年虽先不足为先谓无以过人也人而无以过人则是不能尽其为人之道此陈人而已陈人谓世间陈久无用之人也此意盖谓我之所借重者皆耆艾可尊之人非徒以为前辈人物而借重之也 卮言日出和以天倪因以曼衍所以穷年不言则齐齐与言不齐言与齐不齐也故曰无言言无言终身言未尝言终身不言未尝不言有自也而可有自也而不可有自也而然有自也而不然恶乎然然于然恶乎不然不然于不然恶乎可可于可恶乎不可不可于不可物固有所然物固有所可无物不然无物不可非卮言日出和以天倪孰得其久万物皆种也以不同形相禅始卒若环莫得其有所然物固有所可无物不然无物不可非卮言日出和以天倪孰得其久万物皆种也以不同形相禅始卒若环莫得其伦是谓天均天均者天倪也
Interpretation

On “Stopping” and Relying on Elders of Worth

“Having stopped” (yǐ zhǐ) means: one’s own words can end where they should, so as to cut off pointless dispute. When one borrows the weight of qiai—elders who are advanced in years and in virtue, fit to be consulted—listeners dare not lightly dismiss what is said, and contentious talk can be blocked. The ancient kings, emperors, sages, and worthies of old all count as qiai worth relying on. What is meant by “warp and woof, root and branch” is knowing the constant, knowing change, knowing the beginning, and knowing the end.

A Full Year’s Age and the “Stale Person”

Qinian and qiyi denote years of great longevity. Even when one is very old, if there is no visible achievement in learning and one is called a venerable elder only because one has reached qiyi age, that kind of “being ahead” is not truly being ahead—it means there is nothing that surpasses others. If a person cannot excel others in talent and virtue, they cannot fully fulfill what it is to be human; such a one is merely a chenren (stale person). Chenren refers to people who have grown old in the world without real usefulness. The point here is to show: what I rely on is genuinely respectable qiai, not treating someone as a banner to borrow simply because their generation is senior.

Zhiyan, Tian Ni, and Equalizing the Unequal

Zhiyan (words like a tilted cup—filled and emptied without clinging to one side) is spoken day after day in harmony with Tian Ni (the natural boundary, the divide of heavenly principle), and from there manyan (layer upon layer of extension) unfolds, so that a whole lifetime can be exhausted in this movement. If one does not speak, then there is sameness; once one speaks, sameness and words are not equal, and words and sameness are not equal. Hence it is said “no words”—within words there is again wordlessness; for a lifetime one is in words, yet never stuck in fixed “words”; for a lifetime one is without words, yet never not in words. Where there is zi (self-assertion, a fixed stance), there is zi that may be held and zi that may not; where there is zi, things are not so. How is one “so”? By being so on what is so; how “not so”? By being not so on what is not so. How “acceptable”? By accepting on what is acceptable; how “unacceptable”? By rejecting on what is unacceptable. Things inherently have their “so” and their “acceptable”; there is nothing that is not “so,” nothing that is not “acceptable.”

Tian Jun and Seeds Transforming in Succession

Without zhiyan, speaking day after day in harmony with Tian Ni—who could sustain that long? The ten thousand things are all like zhong (seed, root); in different forms they xiang shan (transform and replace one another in succession), from start to finish like a ring, with no fixed end to find. This is called Tian Jun (heavenly equalization, the leveling of heavenly principle). Tian Jun is precisely Tian Ni.


Note: This passage develops the oral sense of Zhuangzi’s “zhiyan,” “Tian Ni,” “Tian Jun,” relying on qiai, and rejecting those who are honored only for age; it aligns with common lines in the inner chapters and is best read alongside texts such as “Discourse on Making Things Equal” (Qiwu Lun).

曼者游自得也穷年者以此送日月也不言则齐以无言之言则归于一理齐一也以此一而形诸言以其言而论此一皆为有所容心则不得为齐一矣故曰齐与言不齐言与齐不齐也惟无言则齐无言无心之言也终身言未尝言无心于言也终身不言未尝不言不言之中亦可悟理则非不言也有自有所由来也言凡人之所谓可所谓不可所谓然所谓不然其言皆有所自来故各是其所是我则何从而然可之惟随其然者可者而然之可之随其不然者不可者而不然之不可之物固有所然谓凡物各有所是也既各有所是则物物皆是故曰无物不然无物不可此意齐物中论之甚详非卮言日出和以天倪孰得其久有所是也既各有所是则物物皆是故曰无物不然无物不可此意齐物中论之甚详非卮言日出和以天倪孰得其久者言我非以自然之言而调和众口若与之同为是非则岂能要诸久远哉盖谓自然之理千古万古跌不破也万物之种同出于造物以其不同形而相代于天地之间则人以草为草木为木禽为禽兽为兽但见其形之不同而不知同出于元气其种则一也万物之在天地往来终始若循环然其伦理之妙人莫得而穷之谓其不可尽知也此之谓天均均者同也天理之同者故曰天均
Interpretation

Plain-Language Reading

“Man” means roaming at ease and finding joy in oneself; “qiong nian” means living out one’s years in that way—letting days and months pass in it.

Without speaking, one can align with qi (the equality of all things, without fixed distinctions). If one uses “speech that is not speech,” one returns to a single principle—that oneness. Once that principle is shaped into words and argued in words, something is still held and asserted, so true oneness cannot be reached. Hence it is said: qi and speech do not align, and speech and qi do not align. Only non-speech aligns with qi—here “non-speech” is speech that does not cling to speech. One may speak all one’s life yet seem never to have spoken, because the heart is not bound to words; one may never speak all one’s life yet seem never to have been silent, because in not speaking one can still awaken to principle—it is not that one truly never speaks.

In whatever people call acceptable or unacceptable, so or not so, each line of talk has its own origin; each side holds one edge and takes its own as right. If I follow that, I “so” what they call so and “not-so” what they call not-so—yet things each have their own “so” (each is what it is for itself). Since each has its own rightness, every thing can be called so, hence “nothing is not so, nothing is not acceptable.” The Qi Wu Lun (Discourse on the Equality of Things) treats this at length.

It is not by “zhi speech” (words like an upturned cup—renewed daily, not stuck on one side) harmonizing day by day with tian ni (the natural boundary) that anyone could keep it up forever. If one sinks with the crowd into the mouth of right and wrong, how could one ask for anything lasting? The pattern of nature cannot be overturned for a thousand ages. Seeds of all things issue alike from the Creator; only their forms differ as they replace one another in heaven and earth. People see grass as grass, trees as trees, birds as birds, beasts as beasts—they see only differing shapes and do not know that all share one primordial qi; the seed is one. All things come and go in heaven and earth, beginning and ending like a cycle; the subtle order within cannot be exhausted by human knowing—this is called unknowable to the end, and this is what is meant by tian jun (“heaven’s leveling”): jun means sameness, the sameness of heavenly principle—hence tian jun.

庄子谓惠子曰孔子行年六十而六十化始时所是卒而非之未知今之所谓是之非五十九非也惠子曰孔子勤志服知也庄子曰孔子谢之矣而其未之尝言孔子云夫受才乎大本复灵以生鸣而当律言而当法利义陈乎前而好恶是非直服人之口而已矣使人乃以心服而不敢蘁立其未之尝言孔子云夫受才乎大本复灵以生鸣而当律言而当法利义陈乎前而好恶是非直服人之口而已矣使人乃以心服而不敢蘁立定天下之定已乎已乎吾且不得及彼乎
Interpretation

Zhuangzi said to Huishi: When Confucius reached sixty, he had undergone sixty transformations—what he first took to be right, he later came to see as wrong; so it is hard to be sure whether what we now call “right” might actually be the fifty-ninth turn of “wrong.”

Huishi said: Confucius set his heart diligently on his aim and took intellectual understanding as what he lived by.

Zhuangzi said: Confucius had long since ceased to be like that. He did not habitually speak as if everything were settled. Confucius said: One receives the endowment of nature from the Dao, returns to spirit and guards life; let voice accord with musical pitch and words accord with law; set profit and righteousness before oneself—as for likes and dislikes, right and wrong, if one only gets others to submit in speech, that is not enough—one must win them inwardly so they dare not go against it; only then can one stabilize the realm. Stabilized? Stabilized? I fear I have not yet reached his level.

(In the text, “Huizi” is Huishi, a Warring States representative of the School of Names who often debated with Zhuangzi; “Confucius” here is borrowed by Zhuangzi to discuss change and truly winning people over—it is not a historical account of Confucius’s life.)

服知者服事也知知见也勤心以从事于知见谓博学也谢者去也言孔子已谢去博学之事而进于道但未尝与人言尔孔子云者庄子举孔子之言谓孔子尝有此语也受才乎大本犹言受性于太始也大本即造物也灵知觉之性也复返也反而归之本来知觉之性而后可以尽人生之道故曰复灵以生鸣亦言也律即法也当者言皆当理也以利义陈于前而有所是非好恶则人与我对立可以服其口而未能服其心是必舍去利义而忘其是后可以尽人生之道故曰复灵以生鸣亦言也律即法也当者言皆当理也以利义陈于前而有所是非好恶则人与我对立可以服其口而未能服其心是必舍去利义而忘其是非好恶乃可以使人心服而无敢与我对立而为忤者而后可以定天下之定理矣蘁音悟忤逆也蘁立者对面而立则我为顺而彼为逆周礼曰以受诸侯之逆亦言向我而来者为逆也庄子既称夫子之言乃对惠子而叹曰已乎已乎我安得及彼孔子哉只此可见庄子非不知敬吾圣人者 曾子再仕而心再化曰吾及亲仕三釡而心乐后仕三千钟不洎吾心悲弟子问于仲尼曰若参者可谓无所县其罪乎曰既曾子再仕而心再化曰吾及亲仕三釡而心乐后仕三千钟不洎吾心悲弟子问于仲尼曰若参者可谓无所县其罪乎曰既已县矣夫无所县者可以有哀乎彼视三釡三千钟如观雀蚊虻相过乎前也
Interpretation

On “fú zhī” (serving knowledge): In “fú zhī,” fú means to apply oneself or exert effort, and zhī refers to knowledge and discernment. Applying the mind wholeheartedly to knowledge and discernment is what is called “broad learning” (bóxué). Xiè means to set aside or leave behind. The point is that Confucius had already put broad learning behind him and moved on to seeking the Dao, but simply had not stated this plainly to others. The line “Confucius said” in the text is Zhuangzi quoting Confucius to show that Confucius had once expressed such a view.

“Receiving one’s endowment from the great root” (shòu cái hū dà běn): Human talent and nature come from the “great root.” The great root is creation and transformation, the root of Heaven and Earth—that is, the innate nature of spiritual clarity and perceptual awareness. Fù means to return: only by returning to this original nature of awareness can one walk the path of human life aright.

Lines such as “restoring the spirit to give life” (fù líng yǐ shēng), etc. (oral commentary repeats and expands): Míng also means to speak; lǜ is rule or principle, and dāng means to accord with reason. When benefit (lì) and righteousness (yì) are put first, there arise right and wrong, like and dislike, self and other stand opposed, and one can only win people’s mouths, not their hearts. One must let go of benefit and righteousness and forget right and wrong and like and dislike before hearts can truly be won, no one dares oppose you, and the constant norms of the realm can be settled. “Āi” is pronounced like “wù” and also suggests contrariness; “āi lì” is standing face to face—compliant on this side, contrary on that. In the Zhouli, “to receive the princes’ approach” (nì) also means coming toward me as “nì.” After Zhuangzi finishes quoting the Master, he sighs to Huizi: “Enough, enough—how could I compare with that man Confucius!” From this we know Zhuangzi was not someone who failed to honor the sage.


The passage on Zengzi taking office again:

When Zengzi took office again, his mind had shifted once more. He said: While my parents were alive, holding office with income enough for three cooking pots, I was still at ease in mind; later, when my stipend reached three thousand zhong, it could not fill my heart—I felt grief instead. A disciple asked Zhongni: “Can someone like Shen be said not to have had his mind suspended by stipend and thus incurred blame?” Zhongni said: “It was already suspended. Once the mind is suspended, how can we say there was no sorrow? He regarded three pots and three thousand zhong like sparrows or gnats flitting past his eyes.” (Meaning: the mind still moved with gain and loss; he was not truly without attachment; only when outer things are seen like smoke passing before the eyes does one approach “having nothing suspended.”)

不洎言不及其亲也无所县其罪乎者县系累也谓曾子此言有系累之罪乎无系累之罪乎盖疑其前后两变有悲有喜也既已县矣者谓止此悲喜之心便是有所系累也若无所系累则外物之轻重过于吾之前者犹鸟雀蚊虻然岂以此为悲喜哉才有悲喜则有心矣 颜成子游谓东郭子綦曰自吾闻子之言一年而野二年而从三年而通四年而物五年而来六年而入七年而天成八年而不知死不知生九年而大妙 一年而野返其朴也二年而从从顺也于是非喜恶无所逆也三年而通大通彻也四年而物犹槁木死灰也五年而来寂灭之中又有不寂灭者也禅家所谓大死所逆也三年而通大通彻也四年而物犹槁木死灰也五年而来寂灭之中又有不寂灭者也禅家所谓大死人却活是也入者纳造化于其胸中也天成者与天为一也不知死不知生无入而不自得也大妙者极其也自一年至九年此 即借为节次之语此事非可以岁月 计也 生有为死也劝公以其死也有自也而生阳也无自也而果然乎恶乎其所适恶乎其所不适天有历数地有人据吾恶乎求之莫知其所终若之何其无命也莫知其所始若之何其有命也有以相应也若之何其无邪无以相应也若之何其有耶
Interpretation

On “not yet reaching the point of speaking” and the passage about Zengzi

“Not yet reaching the point of speaking” means the words have not yet hit the mark—they have not yet reached the level of “closeness” (qin).

In “is there nothing by which his fault is suspended?” (wu suo xuan qi zui hu), “xuan” means to tie, hang, or be encumbered. The question is whether Zengzi’s remark carries the fault of being tied up—or whether it does not—because he shifts twice, first grief then joy, which makes one wonder whether he is still hung up on external things.

“Already suspended” means: if the mind stops on that grief and joy, that is being tied up. If one were truly without tie-up, then even when the weight of externals exceeded what one had clung to before, it would be no more than birds or gnats—how could one then grieve or rejoice so greatly? Once there is grief or joy, there is mind, there is attachment.


Yan Chengzi You’s “nine years” to Dongguo Ziji

Yan Chengzi You said to Dongguo Ziji: Since I heard your words—

  • One year and wild: returning to plainness, with less artificiality.
  • Two years and following: compliant, keeping pace; no longer stiffly resisting right and wrong, like and dislike.
  • Three years and penetrating: thorough, awakened.
  • Four years and thing-like: like withered wood or dead ashes—unmoved by external things.
  • Five years and coming: within stillness there is again a vitality that is “not still dead”; in Chan this is called “the great dead man comes back to life.”
  • Seven years and heaven-complete: one with the Way of Heaven.
  • Eight years and not knowing death, not knowing life: the boundary between life and death dissolves in the mind; there is no entering in which one is not at ease.
  • Nine years and great subtlety: reaching the finest, most wondrous level.

Kouyi further explains: from one year to nine years, “years” are borrowed to mark stages in order; this kind of work cannot be measured by calendar months and years.


Life, death, yang, ming, and “correspondence”

“Life as you-wei (deliberate doing), death also as admonition”—treating “life” as a kind of artificial doing and “death” as a kind of warning or turning (Kouyi here follows the scripture in speaking of both sides of life and death).

“Lord, since his death also has a ‘self,’ yet life and yang seem ‘without self’—is it really so?”—asking whether death seems to have “self” (its own ground), while life and yang seem “without self,” yet whether that is truly the case.

“Where does it go that suits, where does it go that does not suit?”—where in fact is the going that fits, and where the going that does not?

“Heaven has its reckoning, earth has what people occupy—where am I to seek it?”—Heaven has its patterns, earth has the positions people hold; where should I go to find the answer?

“Not knowing where it ends—how then say there is no ming (fate)? Not knowing where it begins—how then say there is ming?”—“Ming” here means fate, the mandate of Heaven—the kind of limit that cannot be fully fathomed.

“If there is mutual correspondence, how then say there is no hun (soul, spirit)? If there is no mutual correspondence, how then say there is hun?”—if mind and things, mind and Dao, can correspond, how can one say there is no hun? If there is utterly no correspondence, how can one say there is hun?


The above is a modern paraphrase in the tone of Zhuangzi Kouyi, staying close to the logic of the original sentences; if it differs slightly from the wording in your edition, take your base text as authoritative.

此数句言无生无死之理生有为者言以生为有生则有死矣有死生之见自私者也若以至公之理而劝之欲其知造物之间无不死之物故曰劝公以其死也然谓之死则是有所自矣谓之死而有所自则求其生于萌动之始本无所自既其始也无生则安得有死阳动之始也以其死也然谓之死则是有所自矣谓之死而有所自则求其生于萌动之始本无所自既其始也无生则安得有死阳动之始也以死生之理如此言之不知其果然乎否也所适然也所不适不然也要其尽而观则恶乎然恶乎不然谓之有亦非谓之无亦非故曰而果然乎恶乎其所适恶乎其所不适历数星辰日月之往来有历书度数也 人据人迹之所至有可考据者犹言图经也以历数及人据而求之果可以尽天地之理乎故曰吾恶乎求之天地之间日迁月往谁能知其所终其运而徃也必有造物主之安得谓之无命然芒芒之初本来无物安得谓之有命朝必有暮寒必有暑时至气应毫发不差如此相应安得谓之无神然谦能知其所终其运而徃也必有造物主之安得谓之无命然芒芒之初本来无物安得谓之有命朝必有暮寒必有暑时至气应毫发不差如此相应安得谓之无神然谦者未必福仁者未必寿幽明之间有时而不相应安得谓之有神此数句乃发明造物不可知之意
Interpretation

These passages explain the principle of “no birth and no death.”

Those who say “to live is to have life” treat “life” as something genuinely real; once life is taken as real, death cannot be avoided. To set life and death in opposition is a view rooted in the private self and one’s own body. To counsel others with a heart of utmost impartiality is to help them see that, within the great design of the Creator, no existence can endure forever without dying—hence it is called “counseling with public spirit,” using the side of death to awaken people. Yet as soon as one speaks of death, death seems to have a “whence it came”; to say death has an origin is to seek “life” at the first stir of emergence—and at that first stir there was never any “self” to begin with. Since there was no birth from the start, how could there be death? (Here yang movement, beginning, and the relation of life and death are woven together.) Explained in terms of such birth and death, is it truly so—or is it merely “happens to be thus, happens not to be thus”? What matters is: if one exhausts heaven and earth and the myriad things in one’s view, on what basis can one say “must be thus, must not be thus”? To say “there is” is wrong; to say “there is not” is wrong. Hence: is it really so? And on what basis can one say where one ought or ought not to go?

Using calendrical reckoning to track the comings and goings of stars, sun, and moon, people have records and degrees (as in almanacs); they also infer from footprints and places that can be verified (as in gazetteers). Can such reckoning truly exhaust the principles of heaven and earth? Therefore it is said: why must I seek only between heaven and earth? As the sun shifts and the moon turns, who knows their limit? This turning and direction seem to have a Creator behind them—how can one simply say “there is no Mandate of Heaven”? Yet in the vast beginning there was originally nothing—how can one simply say “there is a Mandate of Heaven”? Morning must have evening, cold must have heat; when the season arrives, qi responds without the slightest error—it seems very “responsive”—how can one simply say “there are no ghosts and spirits”? Yet the modest are not always blessed, the benevolent not always long-lived; the hidden and the manifest do not always correspond—how can one simply say “there are ghosts and spirits”? These lines develop the point: the Creator, the Mandate of Heaven, and ghosts and spirits cannot be fully pinned down by human calculation and everyday common sense.

众罔两问于影曰若向也俯而今也仰向也括而今也披发向也坐而今也起向也行而今也止何也影曰叟叟【音箫】也奚稍问也予有而不知其所以予蜩甲也蛇蜕也似之而非也火与日吾屯也阴与夜吾代也彼吾所以有待邪而况乎以向也行而今也止何也影曰叟叟【音箫】也奚稍问也予有而不知其所以予蜩甲也蛇蜕也似之而非也火与日吾屯也阴与夜吾代也彼吾所以有待邪而况乎以有待者乎彼来则我与之来彼往则我与之往彼强阳则我与之强阳强阳者又何以有问乎 叟叟若若显之意也稍略也率略意也谓其何为率然有此问也予之所有本不自知其所以然者故曰予有而不知其所蜩已化而甲在蛇已化而蜕在盖以形之动者比蛇蜩之生而以影比蜕甲也似之而非者言以此为比亦近似之而非果然也在日与火之中则有此影故曰屯屯聚也昼阴而无日夜至而不火则影不可见是代去也彼以此为比亦近似之而非果然也在日与火之中则有此影故曰屯屯聚也昼阴而无日夜至而不火则影不可见是代去也彼指形也吾影也言吾之所待者彼乎故曰彼吾所以有待邪然形之动也又有所待故曰而况乎以有待者乎强阳动也形待强阳之气而动彼形之所以往来者强阳也彼以强阳而动我亦从之其为强阳者本非形之所知汝又何问我乎此段与齐物同但添强阳火日之又要弄笔头禅家所谓重偈言也
Interpretation

There is a figure called “Wangliang”—a fainter shadow beyond the shadow—who questions the shadow: “A moment ago you had your head bowed; why is it raised now? A moment ago your hair was tied up; why is it loose now? A moment ago you were sitting; why are you standing now? A moment ago you were walking; why have you stopped? What is going on?”

The shadow replies: “I too am only dim and intermittent, appearing and vanishing. Your questions are so rough—how could I explain clearly! I have my own condition, yet I myself do not understand why it is so. One might compare it to this: the cicada has already shed its skin and only the empty shell remains; the snake has sloughed its skin, and the skin is still there—using these as likenesses is somewhat similar, yet not the same thing. When there is fire and sunlight, I gather there and become visible; on cloudy days and at night, I am replaced by something else and cannot be seen. What I depend on—is that not the ‘other’ (the physical form)? So it is said that I have something I rely upon. How much more so for things that themselves must rely on something else in order to move! When it comes, I come along; when it goes, I go along; when it moves because of ‘strong yang’ (the stirring of yang qi, bodily activity), I move along too. As for what ‘strong yang’ itself really is—that is not something the physical form can truly grasp. If you ask me again, what use would that be?”

阳子居南之沛老聃西游于秦邀于郊至于梁而遇老子老子中道仰天而叹曰始以汝为可教今不可也阳子居不答至舍进盥漱巾栉脱屦尸外行而前曰向者弟子欲请夫子夫子行不间是以不敢今间矣请问其过老子曰而睢睢盱盱而谁与居大白若辱盛德若不足阳子居蹴然变容曰敬闻命矣其往也舍者迎将其家公执席妻执巾栉舍者避席炀者避灶其反也舍者与之争席矣 请睢盱盱而谁与居大白若辱盛德若不足阳子居蹴然变容曰敬闻命矣其往也舍者迎将其家公执席妻执巾栉舍者避席炀者避灶其反也舍者与之争席矣 请问其过者言夫子谓我不可教其过在何处也睢睢盱盱矜持而不自在之貌谁与居者言其物我未忘常若与人同居也大白若辱者明而自晦之意盛德若不足者言其虽有而不自居也迎将迎送也家公旅邸之主也执席执巾栉奉承之也炀者炊者也避舍避灶敬之也争席者不知其可敬也未闻老子之言之先有矜持自名之意故人见而敬之既得化则退然自晦而人视之以为常人矣此篇文亦细 杂篇让王第二十八
Interpretation

Plain-Language Reading

Yangzi Ju (Yang Zhu, a Warring States philosopher) traveled south toward Pei, while Laozi (Laodan) went west toward the state of Qin. The two met in the suburbs; later they ran into each other again in Liang. Halfway along the road Laozi looked up to heaven and sighed: “At first I thought you could be taught; now I see you cannot.” Yangzi Ju did not reply. When they reached their lodging, after washing up he took off his shoes, sat respectfully outside the mat, stepped forward, and said: “Just now your disciple wanted to ask, but while you were walking I did not dare interrupt; now I may ask—where did I go wrong?”

Laozi said: “Your eyes dart and glance this way and that—who would want to stay close to someone like that? One who truly understands seems as if wronged; one whose De (Virtue/Power) is full seems as if still not enough.” Yangzi Ju’s face changed at once; he said respectfully: “Your disciple has received the teaching.”

What follows is commentary, in substance as follows:

“May I ask where my fault lay” means: You said I cannot be taught—what was my error?

“Suìsuì xīxī” describes a stiff, unnatural manner; “who would stay with you” means he had not yet let go of the split between “me” and “others,” as if always crowding against people and unable to set aside his air of superiority.

“Great clarity seems like disgrace” means plainly understanding yet not showing off, as if shamed; “abundant virtue seems insufficient” means having great De yet acting as if it were not enough and not claiming merit.

“Yingjiang” is welcoming and seeing off; “jiagong” is the innkeeper; “holding the mat, holding towel and comb” means the host and his wife personally bring the mat and hand towel and comb—signs of utmost respect. “Yangzhe” is the person who tends the fire and cooks; “yielding the mat, yielding the stove” means giving up seat and stove out of respect. “Contending for a seat” means later sitting like ordinary folk and scrambling for a place—no longer treating him as an eminent person.

Main point of the whole passage: Before he heard Laozi’s words, Yangzi Ju already carried himself with affectation and self-importance, so others treated him with special deference. After Laozi’s rebuke and his own stepping back, people took him as an ordinary person and no longer gave him exceptional honor— the story illustrates the idea that true De does not show off and that “great skill seems clumsy” (da qiao ruo zhuo). The commentary says the wording of this chapter is very fine and walks through that meaning line by line.

尧以天下让许由许由不受又让于子州支父子州支父曰以我为天子犹之可也虽然我适有幽忧之病方且治之未暇治天下也夫天下至重也而不以害其生又况以天下让许由许由不受又让于子州支父子州支父曰以我为天子犹之可也虽然我适有幽忧之病方且治之未暇治天下也夫天下至重也而不以害其生又况他物乎唯无以天下为者可以托天下也舜让天下于子州支伯子州支伯曰予适有幽忧之病方且治之未暇治天下也故天下大器也而不以易生此有道者之所以异乎俗者也 幽忧者犹今言暗疾也无以天下为者言不欲为天子者方可托之以天下是有天下而不与者也异于俗者言其与世俗不同也 舜以天下让善卷善卷曰余立于宇宙之中冬日是有天下而不与者也异于俗者言其与世俗不同也 舜以天下让善卷善卷曰余立于宇宙之中冬日衣皮毛夏日衣葛絺春耕种形足以劳动秋收敛身足以休息日出而作日入而息逍遥于天地之间而心意自得吾何以天下为哉悲夫子之不知余也遂不受于是去而入深山莫知其处舜以天下让其友石户之农石户之农曰卷卷乎后之为人葆力之士也以舜之德为未至也于是夫负妻戴携子以入于海终身不反也卷卷【音权】自劳之貌葆力勤苦用力也德为未至者谓非自然之德二人皆逃而去之妻以首戴夫以背负共携其子而逃此二段无断语者即与前意同
Interpretation

Yao offered the empire to Xu You, but Xu You would not accept it. Yao then offered it to Zizhou Zhifu. Zizhou Zhifu said: “I could manage being Son of Heaven, but I have a hidden, lingering ailment like youyou and am still tending it—I have no leisure to govern the empire. However weighty the realm may be, it must not be traded for one’s own life, still less for other things outside the self. Only someone who does not treat possessing the empire as what matters is truly fit to be entrusted with it.” This is “having the empire without holding it as one’s own”—unlike ordinary people.

Youyou refers to a concealed, chronic illness, as we might say today of a hidden, lingering sickness. “Those who do not take the empire as their concern” means people who do not wish to be Son of Heaven and do not keep the realm on their minds—yet they may be the ones to whom the empire can be entrusted. It is the sense of having the empire without clinging to it or claiming it, which sets them apart from the vulgar.

Shun offered the empire to Zizhou Zhibo. Zizhou Zhibo said: “I have a youyou ailment and am still treating it; I have no leisure for the empire.” So even though the realm is a great vessel, it is not exchanged for one’s life—on this point people of the Way differ from ordinary folk.

Shun offered the empire to Shan Juan. Shan Juan said: “I stand between heaven and earth. In winter I wear furs, in summer hemp; in spring I plow, enough for my body to work; in autumn I harvest, enough for my body to rest. I rise with the sun and rest at sunset, wandering freely between heaven and earth, my mind at ease. Why should I want the empire? It is a pity you do not understand me.” He refused, left, entered the deep mountains, and no one ever learned where he went.

Shun offered the empire to the farmer of Shihu, a friend. The farmer of Shihu said: “Juanjuan—alas! Those who later hold power are mostly people who strain to preserve the body and toil in hardship. With Shun’s virtue, one still cannot say it has reached the level of natural wuwei (non-action).” Then the husband carried loads on his back and the wife bore them on her head; they took their child and went out to sea, never to return.

Juanjuan describes the look of wearing oneself out; baoli means toiling with strenuous effort. “Virtue has not yet arrived” means it is not yet the virtue that is spontaneous and wuwei. Both of them fled: the wife carried things on her head, the husband on his back; together they took their child to sea. These two passages do not introduce a new break in the argument; their meaning continues what went before.

大王亶父居邠狄人攻之事之以皮帛而不受事之以犬马而不受事之以珠玉而不受狄人之所求者土地也大王亶父曰与人之兄居而杀其弟与人之父居而杀其子吾不忍也子皆勉居矣人之所求者土地也大王亶父曰与人之兄居而杀其弟与人之父居而杀其子吾不忍也子皆勉居矣为吾臣与
Interpretation

Duke Danfu lived in Bin, the Zhou people’s former homeland. When the Di people attacked, the people of Bin offered furs and silk to sue for peace; the Di refused. They sent dogs and horses; still refused. They sent pearls and jade; still refused. What the Di truly wanted was the land.

Duke Danfu said: “To live as another man’s elder brother yet go kill his younger brother; to live as another man’s father yet go kill his son—I cannot bear such a life. Settle here as best you can. What they want is land.”

He said the same again: to share life with someone’s elder brother yet kill his younger brother, with someone’s father yet kill his son—he could not bear it. They should try to live on in peace. The dispute was over nothing but land.

(In the closing line) To be my subjects, or to be the Di’s subjects—the text contrasts the two fates and ends there.

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