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《南華真經口義》Vol. 18

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About this page. The original text of 《南華真經口義》 Vol. 18 (Dongshen 洞神部, 32 volumes) is shown in Classical Chinese as transmitted in the Kanripo (Kyoto University) edition. An English interpretation of the 15 passages on this page accompanies it: select a passage or press “Interpretation” to show it. All texts in English

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南華眞經口義卷之十八虚七     鬳齋林希逸    外篇秋水 秋水時至百川灌河涇流之大兩涘渚涯之 間不辯牛馬於是焉河伯欣然自喜以天下 之美爲盡在已順流而東行至於北海東面 而視不見水端於是焉河伯始旋其面日望 洋向若而歎曰野語有之曰聞道百以爲莫 已若者我之謂也且夫我嘗聞少仲尼之聞 而輕伯夷之義者始吾弗信今我睹子之難 窮也吾非至於子之門則殆矣吾長見笑於 大方之家  涇濁也黄河之水驟至而濁拍滿兩岸故  曰涇流之大兩涘非涇渭之涇也渚涯河  中洲渚也渚涯兩字一般輕重若以涯訓  際則間字下不得不辯牛馬遠而見不眀  也不見水端不知水之自來也洋海中也  若海神名也世間道理千般萬般只聞其  百自以爲多聞道百三字想古有此語意  在夫子與伯夷故借河海以言之大方大  道也 北海若曰井蛙不可以語於海者拘於虛也 夏蟲不可以語於冰者篤於時也曲士不可 以語於道者束於教也今爾出於涯涘觀於 大海乃知爾醜爾將可與語大理矣天下之 水莫大於海萬川歸之不知何時止而不盈 尾閭泄之不知何時已而不虛春秋不變水 旱不知此其過江河之流不可爲量數而吾 未嘗以此自多者自以比形於天地而受氣 於陰陽吾在天地之間猶小石小木之在大
Interpretation

Vernacular Reading of the Scripture

When autumn floods came, the hundred streams poured into the Yellow River. The current ran so broad and muddy that between the two banks and the sandbars in midstream one could not tell ox from horse.

At that the River God He Bo was pleased with himself, thinking that all beauty in the world was his alone.

He went downstream eastward until he reached the Northern Sea. Looking east, he could not see where the water ended.

Then He Bo turned his face around, gazed toward the sea god Ruoshén, and sighed…

“As the folk saying goes: ‘Having heard a hundred paths and thinking none can match you’—that is me.”

“Besides, I once heard of people who slighted Confucius’s learning and looked down on Boyi’s integrity; at first I did not believe it. Now that I see how hard you are to fathom, I know that if I had not come to your gate I would have been in danger of forever being laughed at by those at home in the great Dao.”


The Northern Sea’s Ruoshén said: “A frog in a well cannot be spoken to about the sea, for it is trapped in a hollow. A summer insect cannot be spoken to about ice, for it is bound to its season. A narrow-minded scholar cannot be spoken to about the Dao, for he is tied down by what he has been taught.”

“Now you have come out from your banks and seen the great sea—you know your own limits. I can speak with you about the great principle.”

“Of all waters under heaven none is greater than the sea. The ten thousand streams flow into it, yet it never fills and never knows when to stop; it drains from the weilü (tail-gate, the legendary outlet at the sea’s bottom), yet it never empties and never knows when it is spent. Spring and autumn do not alter it; flood and drought do not touch it. Its surpassing of river and stream cannot be measured or counted.”

“Yet I have never taken pride in this. I take myself as shaped together with heaven and earth and receiving qi from yin and yang. Between heaven and earth I am like a small stone or a small tree on a great mountain.”


Vernacular Notes on the Oral Meaning (Lin Xiyiyi’s Commentary)

Jing (turbid flow): Turbid. When the Yellow River’s water surges and turns muddy, it fills both banks—hence “the great jing current.”

Two banks (liang si): This is not the “Jing” of the Jing and Wei rivers; it means both banks.

Midstream islets (zhu ya): Sandbars and islets in the river. The two characters “zhu ya” carry roughly equal weight. If “ya” were glossed only as “margin” or “edge,” the following word “between” would sit awkwardly with “unable to tell ox from horse”—the point is distance: things are too far off to see clearly.

Cannot see the water’s end: One does not know where the water comes from (extends to).

Yang: The sea. Ruo: The name of the sea god.

Principles in the world are endlessly varied; one hears a hundred of them and thinks oneself widely learned. The phrase “having heard a hundred paths” is likely an old saying; here it is borrowed in the parable of river and sea, with Confucius and Boyi in mind.

Dafang (great house): The great Dao.

山也方存乎見少又奚以自多  拘於虚者言局於其所居也篤於時者言  所知止一時也蟪蛄不知春秋之類知爾  醜者言知自愧也尾閭沃焦也出山海經  言海水至此隨沃隨乾以海比之天地但  見其小豈知其大襌家所謂任大也須從  地起更高猶自有天來便是此意 計四海之在天地之間也不似壘空之在大 澤乎計中國之在海内不似稊米之在太倉 乎號物之數謂之萬人處一焉人卒九州穀 食之所生舟車之所通人處一焉此其比萬 物也不似豪末之在於馬髑乎五帝之所連 三王之所爭仁人之所憂任士之所勞盡此 矣伯夷辭之以爲名仲尼語之以爲博此其 自多也不似爾向之自多於水乎  礨空小穴也蜂窠之類人卒人衆也人在  萬物之中只爲一物之數此合太虚之間  凡有名可名者論之也其在九州之内又  只是一件此合草木鳥獸論之也此兩句  發得極妙樂軒云乾坤雖大人身小拳石  空中作勝遊便是此意世界之小如此五  帝三王萬聖千賢所知所能不出其内似  此說話固是曠遠發得亦自有理伯夷辭  之以爲名夫子語之以爲博此語從前誰  道得任士任事之人言治世之士也 河伯曰然則吾大天地而小豪末可乎北海 若曰否夫物量無窮時無止分無常終始無 故是故大知觀於遠近故小而不寡大而不
Interpretation

(Continuing from above)

To treat mountains as “small” is to see only one corner; to treat the sea as “great” is likewise to stay within what is visible.

“Confined to the hollow” means trapped in the vantage of where one dwells; “steadfast in one season” means knowledge that stops at the understanding of a single time—as when the short-lived cicada knows neither spring nor autumn.

“Knowing one’s ugliness” means knowing one’s lack and feeling shame.

“Weiwei” (尾闾) is the legendary outlet where the sea drains (from the Classic of Mountains and Seas): the sea flows there and is swallowed as fast as it is poured in. Compared with heaven and earth, if one only sees how small the sea is, one may fail to grasp how vast it really is. What Chan Buddhists call “bearing the great” must rise from the earth, layer upon layer, with heaven still above—that is the idea.


Main sense of the passage

Measure the four seas against heaven and earth: are they not like a tiny hole in a great marsh?

Measure China within the inner seas: is it not like one grain of rice in a vast granary?

The myriad things are counted as “ten thousand”; a human being is but one among them. Humans gather in the Nine Provinces—the lands where the five grains grow and boats and carts may pass—and among those, each person is again but one.

Compared with the myriad things, is a person not like the tip of a hair on a horse’s hide?

What the Five Emperors handed down, what the Three Kings fought over, what the humane worry about, and what men of affairs toil at—all of it is contained in this.

Boyi refused office for reputation’s sake; Confucius spoke for breadth of learning—they thought themselves abundant, just as you a moment ago thought yourself abundant beside the water.


Explanation of terms

“Lěi kōng” (礨空) is a small cavity, like a honeycomb cell.

“Rén zú” (人卒) means the mass of people. Among the myriad things, a person is only one of ten thousand (speaking of everything in the great void that can be named); within the Nine Provinces, one is again only a single item (speaking of plants, birds, beasts, and the like). These two lines are developed very well.

Master Yuexuan said: Though heaven and earth are vast, the human body is no larger than a fist-sized stone, yet in the void it makes a triumphant journey—that is the point. The world is thus small; what the Five Emperors, Three Kings, and sages of every age knew and could do never exceeds this scope. The language is indeed far-reaching, and the point is sound.

“Boyi refused for the sake of name; Zhongni spoke for the sake of breadth”—who in the past could have said such things?

“Rèn shì” (任士) means those who take on the affairs of the world, namely statesmen who order society.


Dialogue between River Earl and Lord of the Northern Sea

River Earl said: Then may I honor heaven and earth and belittle tip and hair?

Lord of the Northern Sea said: You may not. The measure of things has no end; time does not stop; positions are not fixed; beginning and end have no fixed mark. Therefore great wisdom looks far and near alike: seeing the small without taking it for too little, seeing the large without hoarding it as “more” (not piling up greatness upon oneself).


Note

This passage belongs to the “viewing large and small” debate in Zhuangzi’s “Autumn Floods”; the oral gloss uses honeycomb, granary, and hair-tip images to show how small humans are among heaven, earth, and the myriad things, and criticizes the self-importance of figures like Boyi and Confucius, leading into Lord of the Northern Sea’s reply that “the measure of things has no end.”

多知量無窮證□今故故遥而不悶掇而不 跂知時無止察乎盈虚故得而不喜失而不 憂知分之無常也明乎坦塗故生而不悦死 而不禍知終始之不可故也計人之所知不 若其所不知其生之時不若未生之時以其 至小求窮其至大之域是故迷亂而不能自 得也由此觀之又何以知豪末之足以定至 細之倪又何以知天地之足以窮至大之域  這一轉話又好前言其大於此又言無小  無大即所謂天下莫大於秋毫之末而太  山爲小也物量無窮言物不可得而量度  也時無止言寒暑晝夜相尋無已也分無  常言有無得失人之分劑或先或後初無  定也終始無故言無終無始無新無故也  是故大知者謂有大智之人而後有下面  四知也觀遠猶近故不以大小爲多寡而  後知量之無窮也證鄉考眀也今故今古  也眀於今古之爲一故迎而未至者雖遠  而不憂掇而可取者雖易而不跂待之而  後知時之無定止也盈得也虚失也盈虚  消長與時偕行不以此爲喜愠而後知分  劑之無常也眀乎坦塗者猶曰識乎正道  也由乎正道而生死聽之即壽夭不貳修  身以俟之意眀乎此則知終亦猶始不可  以終爲故也此便是原始要終之說人之  所知者人也其所不知者天也且如既生  之後我則知之未生之前我何由知之即
Interpretation

Paraphrase of the Original Passage

Those who know much can understand that “measure” has no limit; by examining present and past, what is far does not weary them, and what is near at hand does not make them crane their necks to look. They know that “time” has no stopping point; by observing fullness and emptiness, they are not glad when they gain and not sorrowful when they lose, and they understand that “allotment” has no fixed rule. They understand the level path (the right Way), so they are not especially happy to live and do not treat death as disaster, knowing that end and beginning are not fixed and unchanging. To take what a person knows and compare it to what he does not know, and to take the time after he is already alive and compare it to before he was born—to use such extremely limited things to pursue exhaustion of that vast and boundless realm is to be confused and unable to find peace in oneself. Seen this way, how can one know that the tip of a hair is enough to fix the standard of “utterly fine”? How can one know that heaven and earth are enough to exhaust the realm of “utterly great”?


Oral Commentary (Explanation)

This turn of argument comes after the discussion of “great”; here it says again “no small, no great”—the sense of “nothing in the world is greater than the tip of an autumn hair, yet Mount Tai is small.”

  • The measure of things is inexhaustible: The size and number of things cannot be fully measured by any fixed standard.
  • Time has no stopping point: Cold and heat, day and night, succeed one another without ever coming to an end.
  • Allotment has no constancy: Having and lacking, gain and loss, each person’s lot—earlier or later—has no fixed rule in the first place.
  • End and beginning have no fixed cause: There is no absolute end or absolute beginning, and no fixed “new” or fixed “old.”

“Therefore the greatly knowing” refers to those of great wisdom; what follows sets out four kinds of “knowing.”

  • Viewing the far as if near: They do not treat far and near as utterly separate, nor calculate by size or number, and thus know that measure is inexhaustible.
  • “证乡” should read “证今” (“乡” and “今” are near in sound and were confused); 考明 means to examine and clarify. Present and past (故) are originally one body, so what has not yet arrived, though far, is not worried over, and what is within reach, though near, is not restless—when this is understood, one knows that time has no fixed stopping place.
  • 盈 is gaining, 虚 is losing; waxing and waning of fullness and emptiness move with time, without joy or anger on that account, and thus one knows that allotment has no constant rule.
  • 明乎坦涂: 坦涂 is a level road; here it stands for the right Way (正道). Following the right Way, one lets life and death be as they may, like the idea of “cultivating the person and awaiting” (修养以俟—refining oneself and waiting on Heaven’s decree). Understanding this, one knows that “end” and “beginning” are alike, and cannot treat “end” as something fixed and unchanging. This is also what is meant by tracing origin to grasp outcome (原始要终—from the root to see how things conclude).

What people know is the “human” side; what they do not know is the “Heaven” side. For example, only after I am born do I know; before birth, how could I know? If one uses such minuscule and extremely limited things to seek to exhaust the utterly great and boundless domain, one becomes confused and cannot be at peace. From here, again: on what basis say that a hair’s tip is enough to fix “utterly fine”? On what basis say that heaven and earth are enough to exhaust “utterly great”?

 禪家所謂父母未生以前道一句子至小  我也至大天也以我至小欲窮至大之天  宜乎迷亂而不樂此數語若在禪家便是  一大公案也莊子即等閑說了自是故大  知而下是解上面數句其辭伸縮長短齊  而不齊此文法也倪端也域方所也語其  小而無端窮其大而無所故曰何以定至  細之倪何以窮王大之域 河伯曰世之議者皆曰至精無形至大不可 圍是信情乎北海若曰夫自細視大者不盡 自大視細者不明夫精小之微也垺大之殷 也故異便此勢之有也夫精粗者期於有形 者也無形者數之所不能分也不可圍者數 之所不能窮也可以言論者物之粗也可以 意致者物之精也言之所不能論意之所不 能察致者不期精粗焉  此一轉又好至精者無形細也不曰至小  而曰至精皆是文之活處信情者謂信乎  此語之實耶自細視大者不盡管中窺天  之類也自大視細者不明鵬鳥下視野馬  塵埃之類也小之微者曰精言小而又小  者也大之盛者曰垺言大而又大者也殷  盛也異便異宜也就小大上又生出此兩  句也是精絶無形之小不可以數分曰毛  曰芴亦不可也不可圍之大不可以數盡  曰稊曰兆亦不可也物無精粗皆局於形  故可以言論可以意推若小者大者皆無  形則言不可論意不可極既曰無形則不
Interpretation

The Chan school often speaks of the meditation topic “before your parents gave birth to you”: the extremely small is the self, the extremely large is heaven. To use the extremely small self to exhaust the extremely large heaven is bound to bring confusion and no peace. In Chan these lines would be a major public case; Zhuangzi states them as if it were nothing. So from “Therefore great knowledge” onward, the text is unpacking what came before; the prose expands and contracts, even and uneven—that is exactly this style of writing. “Ni” means the thread or starting point; “yu” means region or locus. Saying the small has no beginning and the great has no boundary, the text asks: how can you fix the thread of the utmost small? How can you exhaust the domain of heaven’s greatness?

He Bo said: When people discuss things, they all say the utmost refinement has no form and the utmost greatness cannot be enclosed—is that credible?

Bei Hai Ruo said: Looking at the great from the small, you cannot see it all (like viewing heaven through a tube); looking at the small from the great, you cannot see it clearly (like the peng bird looking down and seeing only dust and horses). “Jing” speaks of subtle smallness; “fu” speaks of vast abundance—each has its fit, as situation demands. Jing and cu originally refer to things with form; what has no form cannot be divided by number; what cannot be enclosed cannot be exhausted by number. What can be spoken of is the coarse side of things; what can be intuited is the refined side. What speech cannot discuss and thought cannot discern should not be weighed in terms of refined versus coarse.

Kou Yi says: This turn is again excellent. “The utmost refinement has no form” speaks of the subtle, not “the utmost small”—that is where the writing stays lively. “Xin qing” means whether one takes these words as true. “From the small viewing the great, not exhaustive” is like viewing heaven through a tube; “from the great viewing the small, not clear” is like the peng looking down and seeing dust and horses. “Jing” means small upon small; “fu” means great upon great; “yin” means abundant. “Yi bian” means different fitness—from small and great these two lines are born again. Subtlety so extreme it has no form—number cannot divide it; even a hair’s tip or the tip of a autumn hair cannot be fixed. Greatness that cannot be enclosed—number cannot exhaust it; even a grain of rice or a ten-thousandth cannot bound it. Things, whether refined or coarse, are all confined to form, so they can be spoken of and intuited; if both large and small were formless, then speech could not discuss them and thought could not reach them—once you say “formless,” they are no longer within the distinction of refined and coarse.

 可以精粗言矣故曰不期精粗焉察致者  察其極至也 是故大人之行不出乎害人不多仁恩動不 爲利不賤門隸貨財弗爭不多辭讓事焉不 借人不多食乎力不賤貪汙行殊乎俗不多 辟異爲在從衆不賤佞諂世之爵禄不足以 爲勸戮恥不足以爲辱知是非之不可爲分 細大之不可爲倪聞曰道人不聞至德不得 大人無己約分之至也  雖不害物而亦不以愛物爲能故曰不出  乎害人不多仁恩門隸賤役而求利者也  如曰雖執鞭之事吾亦爲之我雖不求利  而亦不以賤役而求利者爲非故曰動不  爲利不賤門隸纔有賤役貴已之念則有  迹矣我不爭貨財而亦不以辭讓爲能故  曰貨財不爭不多辭讓以辭讓自多則近  名矣事事皆爲之而無所資於人然亦  不盡用其力以自食故曰事焉不借人不  多食乎力言有餘不敢盡也貪汙之人亦  不鄙賤之爾爲爾我爲我也故曰不賤貪  汙其行實異乎人而不自爲崖異故曰行  殊乎俗不多辟異也辟僻也辟異崖異也  爲在從衆和光同塵也不賤佞諸由由然  與處焉能浼我之意也不賤不鄙惡之也  若此等人無分是非混同細大此則道人  也至德也大人也不聞無名也不得無得  無喪也約分者言會至理於至約而盡已  分之事也聞曰我聞於古有此語也約分  即盡已也但如此换字耳
Interpretation

Vernacular Interpretation of Nanhua Zhenjing Kouyi (Oral Exegesis of the True Classic of Southern Florescence)

At this point, the discussion can proceed in terms of the subtle and the coarse. Hence it is said again: do not imagine that by distinguishing subtle from coarse you can thereby see clearly where things arrive—what they ultimately come to. What must be examined is the uttermost limit: where things finally settle and where they stop.

The Great Person’s way of acting is like this:

He does not display himself as benevolent by “not harming others”; in his conduct he simply does not harm others as a matter of course.

He does not parade loftiness by “not pursuing profit,” and therefore he does not look down on those who, like gatekeepers or servants, demean themselves to stay alive and chase gain.

He does not compete for reputation by “not contending over goods and yielding often.” Not contending over goods is one thing; it is also not a matter of deliberately yielding in speech everywhere and making a show of yielding—that would already be close to seeking a name.

He does everything himself and does not rely on others, yet he is also not someone who exhausts all his strength while living off others’ labor. The point is that he has surplus capacity and need not use it all up, not that he “eats by making others do most of the work.”

Toward greedy, base, and tainted people, he does not despise them; each lives their own life: “You be you, I be I.”

His tracks truly differ from those of ordinary people, yet he is not deliberately novel or aloof, setting himself on a cliff-edge to show purity (both “carving out difference” and “cliff-like difference” mean striking off on another path and standing apart from others).

He follows custom and mingles with the crowd, harmonizing light and blending with dust, yet he does not therefore despise those who fawn and curry favor. He stays open with the multitude, and others cannot stain his heart. Here “does not despise” means does not detest or look down on, not that he holds a separate arrogance.

Such a person does not rigidly divide right and wrong and identifies small with great—he does not cling dead-fast in disputes over right and wrong, nor does he force hard boundaries between minute and vast. The old saying runs: “The person of the Dao does not seek to be heard” (the one who cultivates the Way does not chase external renown), “the utmost De does not grasp for attainment” (the highest Virtue does not treat gain and loss as something to clutch), “the Great Person has no fixed self” (the Great Person is not centered on private self-interest).

The utmost refinement of one’s portion means understanding one’s allotment and its boundaries in the simplest, cleanest contraction, and carrying one’s share of what must be done to the end—the same idea as the ancients’ “fulfill oneself.” Where the scripture says “contract the portion,” the sense is the same.

The closing “I have heard it said” means: I once heard such words from those who came before.

河伯曰若物之外若物之内惡至而倪貴賤 惡至而倪小大北海若曰以道觀之物無貴 賤以物觀之自貴而相賤以俗觀之貴賤不 在已以差觀之因其所大而大之則萬物莫 不大因其所小而小之則萬物莫不小知天 地之爲稊米也知豪末之爲丘山也則差數 睹矣以功觀之因其所有而有之則萬物莫 不有因其所無而無之則萬物莫不無知東 西之相反而不可以相無則功分定矣以趣 觀之因其所然而然之則萬物莫不然因其 所非而非之則萬物莫不非知堯桀之自然 而相非則趣操睹矣  前言不賤門隸不賤貪汙所以换此一轉  又添箇貴賤與細大同說若物之外内者  合物之内外而論之也至極也惡至何者  爲極也貴賤小大求其端倪於何而極盡  其理以物觀之自貴而相賤雞壅豨芩時  乎爲帝也在我則不見在彼則知之百骸  九竅眩而存焉其遞相爲君臣乎亦此意  也此一句下得最好貴賤不在已即軒冕  儻來寄之意也差等差也天地只此稊米  豪末可敵泰山則其等差之數不足言蓋  可見矣功分功勞分限也各任一職以爲  功故曰功分農商工賈隨分以致其力而  世間少一件不得亦猶東西南北雖相反  而不可以相無也趣操者趨向志操也以  堯爲是以桀爲非固趣操之當然然以不
Interpretation

Dialogue from the Text

Hebo asked: Whether we look from outside things or from within things, where exactly do the boundaries of noble and base, large and small, fall?

Beihai Ruo replied: From the perspective of the Dao, things in themselves have no fixed noble or base; from each thing’s own standpoint, each takes itself as noble and the other as base; from conventional opinion, noble and base are not decided by oneself alone; when we consider differences of scale, if we follow what is large in a thing and call it large, then nothing is not large; if we follow what is small in it and call it small, then nothing is not small—once we see that the breadth of heaven and earth is no more than a grain of rice, and the fineness of the tip of a hair can be set against a hill, the orders of magnitude between large and small become obvious. When we consider boundaries of function, if we follow what “has” being in a thing we admit it has, then nothing lacks being; if we follow what “lacks” being we admit it lacks, then nothing lacks lack—once we see that east and west oppose each other yet neither can do without the other, each person’s limit of function is settled. When we consider orientation of aim and conduct, if we follow what is “so” in a thing we take it as so, then nothing is not so; if we follow what is “not so” we take it as not so, then nothing is not not-so—once we see that Yao and Jie each follow their own nature yet mutually condemn each other, the differences in people’s aims and integrity stand clear.

Commentary

The earlier passage said not to despise the gatekeeper or the greedy and base—its point is exactly here; here the text turns again and puts noble-base and fine-large on the same line of reasoning. “Outside things, inside things” means considering both inner and outer sides together; “至” means pushing to the utmost. “恶至” asks: where do the signs of noble-base and fine-large finally exhaust their rationale?

“Viewing from things, each esteems itself and deems the other base”—chicken roosts and pigsties, dogtail grass (jiyong, juling), in that time and place might even be honored like a lord; on oneself one does not see it, on others one sees it clearly. The hundred bones and nine openings may be dazed yet still coexist; they take turns as lord and minister—that is the same idea. This line hits hardest: “noble and base are not in oneself”—that is exactly the sense of high office and splendid robes as a traveler’s brief loan on the body.

“差” means graded difference. Heaven and earth are only a grain of rice, yet the tip of a hair can match Mount Tai—then the number of steps in that graded difference hardly needs much argument; the principle is plain. “功分” is merit and allotted share: each keeps one duty as merit, hence merit and share. Farmer, merchant, craftsman, trader each stay in their place and exert their strength; the world cannot do without any one line of work, just as east, west, south, and north oppose one another yet cannot cancel each other. “趣操” is bent of aim and moral resolve: to take Yao as right and Jie as wrong is ordinary feeling; but one must also see that Yao and Jie each follow their nature yet mutually condemn each other—differences in 趣操 show themselves from there.

 有廢者君何以興觀之則趣操之不可定  可見矣因其大小因其有無因其然非即  齊物因是之意 昔者堯舜讓而帝之噲讓而絶湯武爭而王 白公爭而滅由此觀之爭讓之禮堯桀之行 貴賤有時未可以爲常也  把堯舜與之噲湯武與白公相形而言此  皆憤時之激論中間多有此類但觀其文  勢可也 梁麗可以衝城而不可以窒穴言殊器也騏 驥驊騮一日而馳千里捕鼠不如狸狌言殊 技也鴟鵂夜撮蚤察毫末書出瞋目而不見 丘山言殊性也故曰蓋師是而無非師治而 無亂乎是未明天地之理萬物之情者也是 猶師天而無地師陰而無陽其不可行明矣 然且語而不舍非禺則誣也帝王殊禪三代 殊繼差其時逆其俗者謂之篡夫當其時順 其俗者謂之義之徒默默乎河伯汝惡知貴 賤之門小大之家  梁屋梁也麗音禮屋棟也大小各有所用  故曰殊器騏驥狸狌各有所能故曰殊技  鴟鵂訓狐也梟也夜則眼明見日則暗性  不同也是非治亂不能相無亦人世之所  必有者故以殊器殊技殊性者而喻之天  地陰陽亦喻其不可相無也篡夫義徒即  是堯桀之論 河伯曰然則我何爲乎何不爲乎吾辭受趣 舍吾終柰何北海若曰以道觀之何貴何賤 是謂反衍無拘而志與道大蹇何少何多是
Interpretation

I. Observation and Equalizing Things

There are rises and falls, establishments and replacements—on what basis does a ruler decide whom to elevate and whom to remove? If one judges only by personal likes and dislikes in “observing” affairs, people’s aspirations and conduct cannot be settled on a firm standard; that much is already plain. Zhuangzi is here developing the idea of “following what is” (yin shi) from the “Discussion on Making All Things Equal”: distinguish uses according to each thing’s scale, suitableness according to presence or absence, and place each thing according to its inherent nature—not by forcing a single absolute standard of “sameness.”

II. Yielding and Struggle: The Debate over Yao and Jie

In antiquity Yao and Shun obtained the realm through abdication in favor of others, while in the Warring States period King Yan of Yan (Zhi Kui) also imitated abdication and the state was destroyed. Tang of Shang and King Wu of Zhou won kingship through campaign and conquest, while in the Spring and Autumn period Bai Gong Sheng also raised troops to seize power and died in defeat. Seen this way, which of “yielding” and “contending” counts as ritual and which as virtue shifts with the times like the noble and base, right and wrong of acts such as those of Yao and Jie—saintly and tyrannical—one cannot treat any single practice as an eternally fixed constant way (chang dao).

Pairing Yao and Shun with Yan Kui, and Tang and Wu with Bai Gong Sheng, is fierce argument within indignant speech; Zhuangzi’s text has much of this, and when reading one should follow the rhetorical flow rather than taking every line as a final historical verdict.

III. Different Vessels, Skills, and Natures

A massive ridgepole can ram a city wall yet cannot plug a small hole—because the uses of things differ. Qiji and Hualiu can run a thousand li in a day yet are worse than wildcats and weasels at catching mice—because skills each have their strength. Owls and horned owls can catch fleas at night and see fine hairs, yet by day stare without seeing hills and mountains—because innate natures differ.

Hence: to take only “this is right” as one’s model and reject all “this is wrong,” or to take only “order” as one’s model and reject all “disorder,” is not yet to penetrate the pattern of Heaven and Earth and the disposition of the myriad things. It is like taking only Heaven as model and rejecting Earth, or only Yin and rejecting Yang—clearly unworkable. Yet to go on insisting after this is said is either muddle or self-deception. The ways imperial lines pass the throne differ (whether by abdication or not), and the three dynasties differ in how succession works; what goes against the age and custom is denounced as usurpation, what fits the time and custom is called righteous. River Lord, think quietly: through which gate do nobility and baseness enter, what “household goods” do large and small each possess—where is anything fixed and unchanging?

IV. River Lord Asks, Lord of Northern Sea Answers

River Lord said: If so, what should I do and not do, accept and reject? What am I finally to do?

Lord of Northern Sea said: From the standpoint of the Dao, what is noble and what is base is called “mutual derivation from opposites” (fan yan)—opposites turn into each other in cycle; one need not be bound by a fixed set of standards. Do not let the mind lodge in one corner; be as open as the great Dao—why cling to “few” versus “many”? … (What follows continues the original lines such as “why few, why many,” still dismantling attachment to noble and base, large and small.)


Note: This piece comes from oral exegesis (kouyi) on the “Autumn Floods” chapter of the Zhuangzi. It uses historical cases such as Yan Kui and Bai Gong Sheng to show the weight of “timeliness” and “custom,” and compares ridgepoles, Qiji and Hualiu, wildcats and weasels, and owls to show that the myriad things each have their use. It criticizes one-sided stances such as “take the right as model and reject the wrong” or “take Heaven as model and ignore Earth,” guiding River Lord to view noble and base from the Dao—not to fight over superiority from human prejudice.

謂謝施無一而行與道參差嚴乎若國之有 君其無私德繇繇乎若祭之有仕其無私福 汎汎乎其若四方之無窮其無所畛域兼懷 萬物其孰承翼是謂無方萬物一齊孰短孰 長道無終始物有死生不恃其成一虛一滿 不位乎其形年不可舉時不可止涓息盈虚 終則有始是所以語大義之方論萬物之理 也物之生也若驟若馳無動而不變無時而 不移何爲乎何不爲乎夫固將自化  這一問又好言既無貴賤既無是非則我  之辭受取舍將何所從衍寬裕也反反而  求之也以道觀之而無貴賤則反求於吾  身自綽綽寬裕故曰反衍若以貴賤是非  自爲拘束則與道相違矣故曰無拘其志  與道大蹇蹇違礙也施則有多有少謝去  其施則無多無少故曰謝施若執一而行  拘於多少之施則與道差油矣故曰無一  而行與道參差國之有君祭之有社皆論  此心以道爲主也而無所用其私故曰無  私德無私福此心廣大如四方之外無所  極窮則無私畦町矣故曰無所畛域三句  三箇其字下得自别萬物皆備於我是兼  懷也而無所私愛故曰其孰承翼承翼拱  扶之也此二字形容私愛之意無方即無  心也我既無心則物無短長亦無生死不  恃其成即前所謂不雄成也盈虛隨時不  可一定故曰一虚一滿不位乎其形不位
Interpretation

Vernacular Interpretation

Text Commentary

What is called “xie shi” (relinquishing private giving) means acting without fixed rules yet in disharmony with the Dao. Solemn and grave, as when a state has its ruler, yet without seeking private virtue; dignified and reverent, as when sacrifice has its community god, yet without seeking private blessing. Broad and vast, as the four directions without limit, without partial favoritism. Embracing all things together yet without partial cherishing—this is called “wufang” (without fixed direction). All things are alike; what is long or short? The Dao has no beginning or end; things have birth and death; one does not rely on one’s own accomplishments. Full and empty alternate; they do not stay fixed in form. Years cannot be lifted up; the season’s movement cannot be halted—like a trickling stream, fullness and emptiness shift, and when there is an end there is again a beginning. This is the principle of discussing the great meaning of the Dao and expounding the reason of the myriad things.

The growth of the myriad things is like a sudden gallop—nothing is unmoved, no moment unchanged. Why this way? Why that way? They will naturally transform and nurture themselves as they always have.

Oral Commentary (Annotation)

This question continues: if there is neither noble nor base, neither right nor wrong, then in accepting or rejecting what I say, what should one follow?

“Fan yan” means ample breadth—turning back and seeking within oneself. Viewed from the Dao, with no noble or base, one turns back to oneself and is naturally ample; hence “fan yan.” If one binds oneself with noble and base, right and wrong, one is at odds with the Dao; hence “do not constrain your intent—the Dao is greatly obstructed” (jian means hindrance or obstruction).

“Shi” (giving) has more and less; when one thanks away or relinquishes giving, there is neither more nor less—hence “xie shi.” If one acts by holding to one fixed way and clings to the more or less of giving, one diverges from the Dao—hence “acting with a single fixed course, one is uneven with the Dao.”

That the state has a ruler and sacrifice has a community god both mean: take this mind with the Dao as master, and do not use private intent—hence “no private virtue, no private blessing.” When this mind is vast, like the boundlessness beyond the four directions, there is no boundary of private love—hence “no delimited realm.”

The three lines each use “qi” (its) with a distinct sense. “All things are complete in me” is “jian huai” (embracing together). With no private cherishing, it is said “who then would receive winged support?” “Cheng yi” means to arch and support—those two words depict private affection. “Wufang” is mind without fixation.

When I have no fixed mind, then for things there is neither long nor short, neither birth nor death. “Bu shi qi cheng” (not relying on one’s accomplishment) is what was said earlier as “not vaunting one’s success.” Fullness and emptiness follow the moment and cannot be fixed—hence “one empty, one full, not stationed in their forms.”

 不定也無古今則年不可舉無去無來則  時不可止矣大義即大道也物之生也若  驟若馳即所謂逝者如斯夫變動轉移無  時不然何者爲爲何者爲不爲是皆聽造  化自然而已故曰夫固將自化 河伯曰然則何貴於道邪北海若曰知道者 必達於理達於理者必明於權明於權者不 以物害己至德者火弗能熱水弗能溺寒暑 弗能害禽獸弗能賊非謂其薄之也言察乎 安危寧於禍福謹於去就莫之能害也故曰 天在内人在外德在乎天知天人之行本乎 天位乎得蹢䠱而屈伸反要而語極  此一問又好言既聽造化之所爲則人亦  不必學道矣朱文公問答書中廖德明亦  曾有此問文公皆不曾答想難言也莊子  到這裏說箇權字自是作家又有不以物  害已一句愈自分曉看來莊子見道自是  親切特讀其書者看他不破道總言也理  事物各有之理也權用之在我者有道之  全體而後有此大用也明於權者不以物  害已知輕重也水火禽獸盗賊四句著四  弗能字却以非謂一句結之看他語脉極  是下得有力薄迫近之也至德之人固知  事事有數豈物所能害然亦不謂恃此可  以薄之而不能也譬如死於水火固曰有  命自投於水火可乎下云謹於去就其意  愈明亦猶孟子曰知命者不立巖墻之下  也察安危定禍福謹去就便是道心中有
Interpretation

There is no fixed time, and without distinction between past and present, years cannot be reckoned; without coming and going, time cannot be halted. The Great Dao refers to this principle. The birth and death of all things are as swift as a gallop—just as it is said that “what passes is like this,” change and shift are never absent. What counts as deliberate action (youwei) and what as non-action (wuwei) are all left to the self-transformation of creation (zaohua); hence it is said that all things will ultimately transform and nurture themselves on their own.

The River God asked: If that is so, what is valuable about the Dao? Beihai Ruo replied: One who realizes the Dao must penetrate how things work; one who penetrates how things work must be clear about strategic flexibility (quan); one who is clear about quan does not let external things harm the self. A person of supreme De (Virtue/Power) is neither burned by fire nor drowned by water; cold and heat cannot afflict them, and birds and beasts cannot injure them—not because they despise these things, but because they can discern safety and danger, settle fortune and misfortune, and be careful in advancing and retreating, so nothing can harm them. Therefore it is said: Heaven is within, the human is without; De resides in Heaven. To know that the conduct of Heaven and humanity is rooted in Heaven, and that one’s position lies in attainment—is like the bending and stretching of a horse’s hoof: return to the root and speak of the utmost.

This question is excellent: if one simply leaves everything to what creation does, why must people still study the Dao? In Zhu Xi’s Wenda shu (Book of Questions and Answers), Liao Deming also asked this; Master Zhu did not answer—presumably because it was hard to put into words. Here Zhuangzi’s use of the word “quan” is truly masterful, and the line “does not let things harm the self” makes the point even clearer. Zhuangzi’s realization of the Dao is sincere, yet readers always feel he has not fully broken through the entirety of the Dao. “Li” means that each thing has its own principle; “quan” means application lies in oneself—only when one has the fullness of the Dao does this great function arise. One who is clear about quan does not let things harm the self because one knows what is heavy and what is light. The four clauses about fire, water, birds and beasts, and robbers each use “cannot,” yet they are gathered up by the single closing line “it is not that”—the rhetorical force is extremely strong. “Bo” means to press close. A person of supreme De certainly knows that everything has its measure—how could they be harmed by things? Yet one also does not mean that relying on this one may treat outer things lightly and think they cannot harm one. For example, dying in fire or water may be called fate—but may one throw oneself into fire or water? The meaning of “be careful in advancing and retreating” below becomes even clearer—like Mencius’s “one who knows fate does not stand beneath a collapsing wall.” To discern safety and danger, settle fortune and misfortune, and be careful in advancing and retreating—that is the Dao; it is having the Dao in one’s heart.

 人心何嘗皆說聽之自然莊子到此處何  嘗鶻突寧定也天在内人在外即前篇所  謂主者天道臣者人道也德在乎天此言  自然之德也而必曰知天人之行這箇知  字便從人心上起來本乎自然而安於其  所得故曰本乎天位乎得此句又屬道心  位居之安也蹢䠱進退也屈伸進退各循  其理此句又屬人心發明至此道之至要  也理之至極也故曰反要而語極猶孟子  曰將以反說約也 曰何謂天何謂人北海若曰牛馬四足是謂 天落馬首穿牛鼻是謂人故曰無以人滅天 無以故滅命無以得殉名謹守而勿失是謂 反其眞  這數句發得人心道心愈分曉牛馬四足  得於天自然者不絡不穿將無所用此便  是人心一段事以人滅天以故滅命貪得  而殉名則人心到此流於危矣三言無以  乃禁止之辭猶四勿也既知天又知人於  此謹守而勿失則天理全矣故曰是謂反  其眞命天理也故人事也得得失之得也 夔憐蚿蚿憐蛇蛇憐風風憐目目憐心夔謂 蚿曰吾以一足趻踔而行予無如矣今子之 使萬足獨奈何蚿曰不然子不見夫唾者乎 噴則大者如珠小者如霧雜而下者不可勝 數也今予動吾天機而不知其所以然蚿謂 蛇曰吾以衆足行而不及子之無足何也蛇 曰夫天機之所動何可易邪吾安用足哉蛇
Interpretation

Human hearts do not always willingly submit to what is natural; when Zhuangzi writes at this point, he is not speaking at random but with calm assurance. What is meant by “heaven within and the human outside” is what the earlier chapter said: the ruler’s way is the way of heaven (tiandao), and the people’s way is the way of humanity (rendao). “De resides in heaven” refers to the de (virtue/power) of the natural; yet when one must speak of “knowing the conduct of heaven and humanity,” that character zhi (knowing) arises from the human heart-mind.

“Rooted in heaven, positioned in attainment”—rooted in the natural and at ease with what one has received; hence “rooted in heaven, positioned in attainment.” This line again falls on the side of the heart-mind of the Dao: guarding one’s place and resting where one belongs. “Diti” (stamping steps) are the movements of advance and retreat; bending, stretching, advancing, and withdrawing each follow their proper pattern—this line again falls on the side of the human heart-mind. At this point we reach the crux of the Dao and the limit of principle, hence it is called “returning to the essential and speaking to the ultimate,” like what Mencius said: in the end one must gather it back and pierce through with brief words.

Someone asked: What is heaven? What is the human? Beihai Ruo said: Oxen and horses are born with four feet—that is heaven; putting a halter on a horse and a nose ring on an ox—that is the human. Therefore do not use the human to extinguish the natural, do not use deliberate contrivance to extinguish heaven’s mandate, do not trade greed for empty reputation; carefully hold fast and do not lose it—this is called “returning to genuineness.”

These lines draw the distinction between human heart-mind and heart-mind of the Dao ever more clearly: oxen and horses having four feet comes from heaven and is natural; yet if they were not haltered and pierced, they would be of little use to people—here human heart-mind already enters the picture. When one uses the human to extinguish heaven, the habitual to extinguish mandate, or greed to chase fame, the human heart-mind easily slides into danger. The three “do not use” (wuyi) are prohibitions, akin to the Confucian “four abstentions.” Once one knows both heaven and the human and here holds fast without loss, heavenly principle is complete; hence “this is called returning to genuineness.” Here ming (mandate) means heavenly principle, gu means human affairs, and de means “gaining” in the sense of profit and loss.

Kui (a legendary one-legged beast) pitied the centipede; the centipede pitied the snake; the snake pitied the wind; the wind pitied the eye; the eye pitied the heart. Kui said to the centipede: I get by hopping on one foot and already have no choice; you have so many feet yet walk on your own—how is that? The centipede said: Not so—you have never seen a person spit? What flies out large is like pearls, small like mist, falling in confusion beyond counting. What I deploy is inborn function; I myself do not know why it can be so.

The centipede said to the snake: I walk with so many feet yet still cannot match you without feet—why? The snake said: What heaven’s mechanism impels, how could it be changed? Why would I need feet at all?

謂風曰予動吾脊脅而行則有似也今子蓬 蓬然起於北海蓬蓬然入於南海而似無有 何也風曰然予蓬蓬然起於北海而入於南 海也然而指我則勝我䠓我亦勝我雖然夫 折大木蜚大屋者唯我能也故以衆小不勝 爲大勝也爲大勝者唯聖人能之  夔無角一足而行見山海經蚿百足蟲也  蛇無足者也自一足說到無足皆言天機  自然之動可謂世間至奇之文中間又以  人之唾喻蚿之足此處又妙其末却歸在  風上而曰與心兩項却不說此皆文字變  换奇而又奇者也趻踔一足行之貌也無  如矣無似我者也何可易邪不可變易也  有似有可見之像也蓬蓬然風聲也指我  以手指風也䠓我以足踐風也就風之中  又添說箇小不勝大勝愈見奇特即人衆  勝天天定勝人之意小雖不勝而大勝則  萬物孰能出於造化之外哉自然而然者  物物不可違也 孔子遊於□宋人圍之數匝而絃歌不輟子 路入見曰何夫予之娱也孔子曰來吾語汝 我諱窮乆矣而不免命也求通乆矣而不得 時也當堯舜而天下無窮人非知得也當桀 紂而天下無通人非知失也時勢適然夫水 行不避蛟龍者漁父之勇也陸行不避兕虎 者獵夫之勇也白刃交於前視死若生者烈 士之勇也知窮之有命知通之有時臨大難
Interpretation

Wind and a Debate on “Form and Formlessness”

Someone said to the wind: You stir my ribs and my sides; when I walk, it seems as though you are there. Yet now you rise from the Northern Sea with a roaring rush and plunge into the Southern Sea as if there were nothing at all—why is that?

The wind said: Indeed, that is how I rise from the Northern Sea and enter the Southern Sea. But if you point at me, I count as winning; if you kick at me, I still count as winning. Even so, only I can snap great trees and tear roofs off houses. So to take many small defeats and call them one great victory—this kind of “great win” only a sage can accomplish.

(Note: The passage moves from Kui, who has one foot, to the centipede with a hundred feet and the snake with none—all speaking of movement that follows the spontaneous workings of Heaven (tianji); it is among the strangest writing in the world. In the middle, human spittle is used to liken the centipede’s feet; at the end it returns to “wind,” and mentions the heart-mind (xin) and another matter without naming it outright—all shifts of language, strange upon strange.)

Kui, the Centipede, and the Snake

Kui has no horns and only one foot; it hops along. (See the Classic of Mountains and Seas.) The centipede has a hundred feet; the snake has none. From one foot to none, the theme is natural impetus.

Chanchuo: the look of hopping on a single foot.

“Wu ru le”: there is none like me. “He ke yi ye”: how could it be otherwise? “You si”: there is a visible shape. “Pengpeng ran”: the sound of wind. “Zhi wo”: to point at the wind. “Meng wo”: to tread on the wind with the foot.

In the wind’s discourse, adding “small defeats yet a great victory” makes it stranger still—meaning the many can overcome Heaven, yet Heaven’s decree in turn overcomes people. Though one may not win in small matters, in the great victory nothing in the ten thousand things can step outside the work of creation. Things proceed of themselves; the ten thousand things cannot go against this.


Confucius Besieged in Kuang

Confucius was traveling in Kuang (a place name) when the people of Song surrounded him for several rounds; he still played his zither and sang without stopping. Zilu went in and asked: Why are you so joyful?

Confucius said: Come, I will tell you—I have long tried to escape poverty and still cannot avoid it; this is ming (fate). I have long sought success and still cannot attain it; this is shi (the times). In the age of Yao and Shun there were no “poor” people in the world—not because everyone knew how to gain. In the age of Jie and Zhou there were no “successful” people in the world—not because everyone knew how to lose. The times are simply like this.

To sail on water and not fear dragons and serpents is the courage of a fisherman; to walk on land and not fear rhinoceroses and tigers is the courage of a hunter; to face naked blades before you and see death as going home is the courage of a martyr. To know that poverty has ming and success has shi, and in the face of great peril not to fear, is the courage of a sage.

(Note: Confucius at ease in hardship parallels the “great victory” above—in unchangeable ming and shi, one keeps one’s place and is at peace in the heart.)

而不懼者聖人之勇也由處矣吾命有所制 矣無幾何將甲者進辭曰以爲陽虎也故圍 之今非也請辭而退  此段只言時命自然非人力所預知道者  又何懼焉中間以漁父獵夫烈士比聖人  亦自有理由處矣令其止息不必言之意 公孫龍問於魏牟曰龍少學先王之道長而 明仁義之行合同異離堅白然不然可不可 困百家之知窮衆口之辯吾自以爲至達已 今吾聞莊子之言汒焉異之不知論之不及 與知之弗若與今吾無所開吾喙敢問其方 公子牟隱机太息仰天而笑曰子獨不聞夫 埳井之蛙乎謂東海之鼈曰吾樂與吾跳梁 乎井幹之上入休乎缺甃之崖赴水則接腋 持頤蹶泥則没足滅跗還虷蟹與科斗莫吾 能若也且夫擅一壑之水而跨跱埳井之樂 此亦至矣夫子奚不時來入觀乎東海之鼈 左足未入而右膝已縶矣於是逡巡而却告 之海曰夫千里之遠不足以舉其大千仞之 高不足以極其深禹之時十年九潦而水弗 爲加益湯之時八年七旱而崖不爲加損夫 不爲頃乆推移不以多少進退者此亦東海 之大樂也於是埳井之蛙聞之適適然驚規 規然自失也且夫知不知是非之境而猶欲 觀於莊子之言是猶使蚉負山商蚷馳河也 必不勝任矣且夫知不知論極妙之言而自 適一時之利者是非埳井之蛙與且彼方跐
Interpretation

On Courage and the Mandate of Fate

Those who are unafraid possess the courage of the sage—because they have already settled into the place where they belong. When life and fate already have their allotted span, what is there to fear?

Before long, armored soldiers entered to report: “We thought you were Yang Hu, so we surrounded this place. Now we see you are not; please allow us to withdraw and stand down.”

This passage only shows that timing and fate unfold of themselves, beyond what human effort can foresee. For one who has awakened to the Dao, why should there be fear? In the middle, the fisherman, the hunter, and the man who dies for principle are used to illustrate the sage—each in its own way. “You are already there” (由处矣) means: let it rest; there is no need for more words.


Gongsun Long Questions Wei Mou

Gongsun Long asked Wei Mou: “In youth I studied the way of the former kings; in maturity I mastered the practice of benevolence and righteousness. I could distinguish sameness and difference, separate hard from white, argue what is so and what is not, what may be done and what may not—until the wisdom of the hundred schools was cornered and the disputations of many mouths exhausted. I thought I had reached the utmost. Now, having heard Zhuangzi’s words, I am dazed and adrift, unsure whether my discourse falls short of his or my talent is less than his. My mouth opens and no words come. I venture to ask what lies at the heart of this.”

Prince Mou leaned on his armrest, sighed, and laughed toward heaven: “Have you never heard of the frog in the well? It said to the turtle from the Eastern Sea: ‘I delight in leaping on the well curb and resting on the broken brick at the cliff’s edge; when I jump into the water I cup it under my arms and cradle my chin; when I tread the mud it covers my feet to the instep. I look back on shrimp, crabs, and tadpoles as my companions—none can match me. Moreover I alone possess this hollow of water and take my joy in straddling the well—surely this is the height of fulfillment. Why do you not often come in and look around?’

The turtle from the Eastern Sea had not yet fully put in its left foot when its right knee was caught. So it drew back in hesitation and told the frog: ‘A distance of a thousand li is not enough to speak of breadth; a height of a thousand ren is not enough to measure depth. In the time of Yu the Great there were nine floods in ten years, yet the water did not grow more; in the time of Cheng Tang there were seven droughts in eight years, yet the shore did not shrink. Neither length of years nor amount of water makes it advance or retreat—this is the great joy of the Eastern Sea.’

When the frog in the well heard this, it was startled and dismayed, and lost all its former assurance.

As for you—your understanding cannot even map the border between right and wrong, yet you wish to take in Zhuangzi’s words. That is like asking a gnat to carry a mountain on its back or an inchworm to cross a river: it surely cannot be done. Moreover, understanding that cannot reach words of utmost subtlety yet settles for momentary advantage—is that not the frog in the well? And as for him, he holds his head high with such assurance…”

黄泉而登大皇無南無北奭然四解淪於不 測無東無西始於玄冥反於大通子乃規規 然而求之以察索之以辯是眞用管闚天用 錐指地也不亦小乎子往矣且子獨不聞夫 壽陵餘子之學行於邯鄲與未得國能又失 其故行矣直匍匐而歸耳今子不去將忘子 之故失子之業公孫龍口呿而不合舌舉而 不下乃逸而走  公孫龍當時之辯者也指其名而言之所  以闢之也井蛙海鼈之喻都是撰出不知  這老子胸中如何有許多劣相虷井中赤  蟲也蟹螃蟹也坎井之地虷蟹科斗皆周  旋其中故曰還虷蟹與科斗九年之水七  年之旱人人如此說安得水旱如此之乆  信然人類盡矣莊子添箇十年九潦八年  七旱字便自别了這般等閑處亦看得筆  力適適猶虩虩也商蚷小蟲也跐蹈也大  皇天也下蹈黄泉上登于天言其見趣之  高遠也奭然即釋然也四解四達也淪於  不測所入者深也始於玄冥言在於無極  之先也反於大通歸於至道也以察察之  小明而欲窮素之以言辯不亦小乎邯鄲  失行之喻尤佳國能邯鄲國中所能之步  也學未成而故步又失所以匍匐歸也列  子所言魏牟公孫龍與此全異 莊子釣於濮水楚王使大夫二人往先焉曰 願以境内累矣莊子持竿不顧曰吾聞楚有 神龜死已三千歳矣王巾笥而藏之廟堂之
Interpretation

(Continuation of the scripture passage) …able to descend to the Yellow Spring and ascend to the realm of the Great Sovereign—north and south undivided, suddenly open on all four sides, sinking into depths that cannot be fathomed; east and west indistinguishable, beginning in the dark abyss (Xuanming) and returning to the Great Thoroughfare (Datong). Yet you cling narrowly to sharp scrutiny in pursuit and to disputation in inquiry—is this not like peering at heaven through a bamboo tube or pointing at the earth with an awl? How cramped! Be on your way. And have you not heard: a youth from Shouling studied how the people of Handan walk; before he had mastered the Handan gait he had lost his own way of walking and had to crawl home. If you do not leave now, I fear you will forget your original form and forfeit your original accomplishment. Gongsun Long stood gaping, his tongue lifted but unable to come down again, and so he turned and fled.

(Commentary: kouyi)

Gongsun Long was a celebrated debater of the day; naming him here is precisely to refute that line of thought. The parables of the well frog and the “sea rat” are inventions of the author—one wonders how Laozi’s breast could hold so many such “inferior images.” Heng is the red worm in a well; xie is the crab. In a pit well, worms, crabs, and tadpoles all wheel about within it—hence “huan” (to move round and round). The saying that worms and crabs share tadpoles’ “nine years of water and seven years of drought” is on everyone’s lips; flood and drought could hardly last so long—were it truly so, humankind would long have perished. Zhuangzi adds only the phrases “nine floods in ten years, seven droughts in eight,” and the flavor is altogether different. Even in such ordinary turns one can see the force of his brush.

“Shishi” is the same as “xixi” (trembling unease). Shangfu is a tiny insect. “Chidao” means to trample. Dahuang denotes Heaven. The lines below—“treading the Yellow Spring, ascending the Great Sovereign”—speak of how far and high one’s vision reaches. Shiran means to be fully released. Sijie is the same as sida (open on all sides). “Sinking into what cannot be measured” describes how deep one enters. “Beginning in the dark abyss” means prior to the limitless; “returning to the Great Thoroughfare” is returning to the utmost Dao (Way). To try to exhaust the plain, unadorned Dao with piercing clarity and the art of rhetoric—is that not far too small a measure? The parable of losing one’s step at Handan is especially fine. “Guo neng” is the knack of walking as practiced in the state of Handan; having failed to learn it, he lost his old gait as well, and so could only crawl home. The Wei Mou and Gongsun Long of the Liezi are not the same figures as those here.

Zhuangzi was angling in the Pu River when the King of Chu sent two grandees ahead to state his wish: he would entrust the governance of his realm to you. Zhuangzi held his rod and did not turn his head. He said: I have heard that in Chu there is a sacred turtle that has been dead for three thousand years. The king keeps it wrapped in a cloth casket and offers it in the ancestral temple.

上此龜者寧其死爲留骨而貴乎寧其生而 曳尾於塗中乎二大夫曰寧生而曳尾於塗 中莊子曰往矣吾將曳尾於塗中  往先者往見之先道此意也以境内累者  言欲托之以國也死留骨生曳尾之喻眞  是竒特 惠子相梁莊子往見之或謂惠子曰莊子來 欲代子相於是惠子恐搜於國中三日三夜 莊子往見之曰南方有鳥其名鵷鶵子知之 乎夫鵷鶵發於南海而飛於北海非梧桐不 止非練實不食非醴泉不飲於是鴟得腐鼠 鵷趨過之仰而視之曰嚇今子欲以子之梁 國而嚇我邪  嚇恐奪其食而爲此聲也以鴟之腐鼠而  嚇鳳比惠子以國相而嚇我不知此老何  處得許多好譬喻自莊子而下爲文字者  無非竊其機關這一部書天地間如何少  得莊子惠子最相厚善此事未必有之戲  以相譏爾練實竹實也 莊子與惠子遊於濠梁之上莊子曰儵魚出 遊從容是魚樂也惠子曰子非魚妄知魚之 樂莊子曰子非我安知我不知魚之樂惠子 曰我非子固不知子矣子固非魚也子之不 知魚之樂全矣莊子曰請循其本子曰汝安 知魚樂云者既已知吾知之而問我我知之 濠上也  這一般說話又奇循其本者請反其初也  言汝當初問我非魚安知魚之樂是汝知  我之意方有此問汝既如此知我則我於
Interpretation

The divine turtle in the passage above—would it rather die and leave its shell to be honored in a high place, or live on dragging its tail in the mud? The two ministers said: rather live dragging its tail in the mud. Zhuangzi said: Go away; I will drag my tail alive in the mud.

“Going” means setting out first to visit the King of Chu. To say the state of Chu weighed on him, and to use the likeness of “dead bones honored” versus “living tail in mud,” is wonderfully strange and apt.


When Huizi (Hui Shi) was prime minister of Liang, Zhuangzi went to see him. Someone told Huizi: Zhuangzi has come; he wants to take your place as minister. Huizi was afraid and searched the state for three days and three nights. Zhuangzi went to see him and said: In the south there is a bird called the yuanchu (a divine bird akin to the phoenix)—do you know it? The yuanchu rises from the Southern Sea and heads for the Northern Sea; it will not perch except on the parasol tree, will not eat except bamboo seeds (the fruit of bamboo, called “lian shi”), will not drink except from sweet springs. Just then an owl had caught a rotten rat. As the yuanchu flew past, the owl looked up, fixed on it, and cried: Ha!—Are you now trying to scare me with your ministership in Liang?

“Ha” is the owl’s threatening cry, afraid someone will snatch its food. Using an owl with a rotten rat to scare the phoenix compares to Huizi clutching the post of state minister to intimidate me. One wonders where this Zhuangzi found so many fine analogies; later writers who craft clever figures are mostly pilfering his wit. Huizi and Zhuangzi were closest friends; this episode may never have happened and is more likely playful mutual teasing. Lian shi means the fruit of bamboo.


Zhuangzi and Huizi were strolling on the bridge over the Hao River. Zhuangzi said: The shuyu (a small fish) come out swimming, easy and free—that is the fish being happy. Huizi said: You are not a fish; how do you know the fish are happy? Zhuangzi said: You are not me; how do you know I do not know the fish are happy? Huizi said: I am not you, so I indeed do not know you; you are not a fish to begin with—you do not know the fish are happy. That settles it. Zhuangzi said: Let us return to the root of the words. When you asked “how do you know the fish are happy,” you had already shown you knew that I knew, and that is why you asked me; I tell you: I knew it from up on the Hao bridge.

This exchange is strange again. “Returning to the root” means: go back to your first question—you asked “you are not a fish, how can you know the fish are happy,” which already admitted I could grasp the fish’s joy, and only then put the question; since you “knew me” in that way, my knowing the fish’s joy is knowing it from atop the Hao bridge.

 濠上亦如此知魚也二人最爲相知想當  時對語亦自可觀  此篇河伯海若問答正好與傳燈録忠國  師無情說法無心成佛問答同看大慧云  這老子軟頑撞著這僧又軟頑黏住了問  謂其家活大門户大波瀾闊命根斷這數  語莊子却當得(大慧語詳/見普說中) 南
Interpretation

When Zhuangzi watched the fish at Hao Bridge, he and Huizi were attuned to each other in just this way; their exchange at the time must have been well worth witnessing.

The back-and-forth between the River God and the Sea God in this chapter reads especially well alongside the dialogue in the Transmission of the Lamp (Chuandeng Lu) in which National Teacher Zhong discusses “insentient beings preaching the Dharma” and “attaining Buddhahood without mind.” Chan master Dahui said: This Laozi [Zhuangzi] is nimble and slippery; meeting this monk, he slippery stuck to him once more. The phrases “the household task is great,” “the gate is great,” “the waves are broad,” and “the root of life is severed”—Zhuangzi used them to the point. (On Dahui’s Recorded Sayings, see the section on public sermons [pu shuo].)

華眞經口義卷之十八

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